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Fogz 2017-12-03 13:03
love the icon
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EmoSaru 2017-12-03 13:04
Achysolrock is a god, lol. 😃
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jaysee 2017-12-03 13:10
Is this the new special server to track Emo's adventures?
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EmoSaru 2017-12-03 13:11
Technically, it's for tracking YOUR adventures using my software, lol
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jaysee 2017-12-03 13:12
I like that I couldn't get a message out before you notice I joined. My adventures are definitely being tracked CatBoo
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EmoSaru 2017-12-03 13:12
Hehehe, I mean it helps that I'm literally just staring at discord right now
13:12
I'm gonna announce in the rando discord after the open weekly
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jaysee 2017-12-03 13:53
But yeah, I've got many different events I'm planning and trying to get finalized today, I can probably start making some packs this week sometime.
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TGH 2017-12-03 14:17
WutFace
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EmoSaru 2017-12-03 16:22
...and I just announced open beta in the rando discord. Feel free to share this invite link with anybody who asks about the tracker. https://discord.gg/aPHDBZk
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jaysee 2017-12-03 16:26
CatBoo
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Espeon 2017-12-03 16:59
time to play around with clicking items and seeing what can be done
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as well as seeing if the obscure stuff is accounted for
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Gesellschaft 2017-12-03 18:07
geseiiYay
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takeru 2017-12-03 18:11
takeru2YuguWAH
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Fogz 2017-12-03 18:43
sakuWitch
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SakuraTsubasa 2017-12-03 18:43
sakuDrop
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LavanFirestorm 2017-12-03 18:45
sakuPLZ
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jaysee 2017-12-03 19:38
omggrub
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warbeforepeace 2017-12-04 19:47
is source code availible to look at?
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EmoSaru 2017-12-04 20:36
Not currently.
20:36
I'm still evaluating options for the future, and whether or not opening the source makes sense.
20:36
That said, all of the logic is in the data files, which are just plain zip files you can unpack and dig into if you like.
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Xombiepunk 2017-12-04 23:38
So I just did my first stream using this tracker. It worked GREAT, there was 1 fubar but it was my own fault not the trackers (I just clicked off pinnacle rock after grabbing the top item and forgot about the inside part causing me a slight bit of headache figuring out what the hell I missed) Over all I just dropped from 4 hour runs to 3 hour runs using this. So its healping the learning process out a LOT.
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So yeah, wanted to give you guys a big thumbs up
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EmoSaru 2017-12-04 23:57
Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad you like it! Thus far, it's not so much "you guys" as it is "that one lady EmoSaru", but other people are starting to work on additional game packs and modes, so stay tuned for more and more in the future. 😃
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Xombiepunk 2017-12-04 23:57
Oh well great job miss 😄
23:57
Mostly I am just practcing opens so I can get more race ready but like I said it helped a ton.
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EmoSaru 2017-12-04 23:59
Nice, and good luck with your practice. 😃
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GameDevBrian 2017-12-05 12:54
great update
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Sym 2017-12-06 12:00
@EmoSaru heya, i tried to check out your tracker, but windows defender keeps blocking it
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xX_penguins_Xx2 2017-12-06 12:01
there should be a more options button at the end of the warning up top.. click that and then the allow button should show
12:02
the reason it's blocked is probably because i think she's using a self signed cert at the moment.
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Sym 2017-12-06 12:02
ya, i got it now. its cause its an unregistered publisher or something like that
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xX_penguins_Xx2 2017-12-06 12:03
yeah because she has to go to a certificate authority to sign the program with for windows to trust it.
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Sym 2017-12-06 12:04
love the layout though. awesome how it swaps from left/right to top/bottom
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EmoSaru 2017-12-06 12:12
I’m working on the certificate issue in January. Believe it or not, I have to wait until at least December 17th to start the process for tax reasons... 😊
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jaysee 2017-12-06 12:13
Let's start an EmoCertificate Fundraiser stream! CatBoo
12:14
Or Emotificate? ThinkDorm
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EmoSaru 2017-12-06 12:14
LOL
12:14
EmoTracker’s parent business entity will be he legal entity I’m setting up for streaming
12:15
So any donations to my stream are EmoTracker donations in the end
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jaysee 2017-12-06 12:15
Will the entity be called Emotificate?
12:16
It had a nice ring hollowdab
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Sym 2017-12-06 12:16
well, looks like im adding another to the list of free bits from ads 😃
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Noraystra 2017-12-06 14:42
Ok now that i have used the tracker and understood it I can attest that this is the best tracker of them all IMO for what its worth
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EmoSaru 2017-12-06 15:02
I'm really glad to hear that! There is always a learning curve with any tracker, but especially with location trackers, so I'm glad that you've found it worthwhile on the other side of it. 😃
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Xombiepunk 2017-12-06 22:26
Gratz to Emo for the stylish finish >.>;;
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EmoSaru 2017-12-06 22:41
lol
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Venoxis93 2017-12-11 04:37
You're tracker is amazing. Really is a great job
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Psyjinx 2017-12-19 11:37
Just started running 2 days ago, just started using this 10 minutes ago. Very well done, thank you!
11:37
Very helpful
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Shayy 2017-12-24 00:20
^^^^
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4K.Rool (ReRush) 2017-12-30 19:53
Nice work Emo!
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Murnco 2017-12-30 19:53
Thanks Emo!
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EmoSaru 2017-12-30 19:54
Thanks for the support!
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Aces_High_76 2017-12-30 19:54
Thanks for the Keysanity Emo. You're my Hero. Replacing captain planet.
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iBazly 2017-12-30 21:25
:O LADX support tooooo omg! Why are you literally perfect? :O
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Psyjinx 2017-12-30 21:27
geseiiYay
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EmoSaru 2017-12-30 21:28
Send your thanks to @JRJathome for the LADX item tracker! He made the pack - I'm just hosting it. 😃
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jaysee 2017-12-30 22:15
And eventually ™ (overworld) glitched packs! sombreroguy
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EmoSaru 2017-12-30 22:17
👍
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apex82 2017-12-31 01:36
I added overworld glitched and partially major glitched logic to Crossproducts 4.0 version of his tracker, if that would be any help for you @jaysee i could send you the logic file
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the overworld glitched logic i put into the tracker is probably not missing out on anything (it might contain some stuff that's not in the Randomizer logic, like kings tomb with only boots)
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jaysee 2017-12-31 07:57
Did you account for bootless clips and outdoor ybas?
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apex82 2017-12-31 08:01
in my overworld glitched logic i didn't account for bootless clips nor for overworld fake flutes, so it's very close to the actual logic, with only minor additions, like said
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Xel 2017-12-31 17:11
this seems perfect for entrance shuffle with the way pinned locations work
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EmoSaru 2017-12-31 17:11
It's on my radar. I've been working on designs for how to decouple Locations from Entrances on maps
17:11
Plus map annotation in general, for ES and for things like Z1/Z2R/LADXR
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Xel 2017-12-31 17:13
Also side note, your tracker doesnt reconize if your task bar is on the side (when full screened it hides the downsize and close buttons under the task bar
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EmoSaru 2017-12-31 17:13
Interesting! Good to know - that's a side effect of the custom window chrome we use now for compactness. I'll do some testing on that locally and try to get it fixed in the near future.
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Xel 2017-12-31 17:14
its a minor thing but if i use it as an entrance trracker later thats preety important to have the larger map display
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EmoSaru 2017-12-31 17:14
For sure. It shouldn't be too hard to fix.
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JP | BrewersFanJP 2017-12-31 17:26
So, I'm new to the tracker, and I'm wondering how to customize it. I've seen other streamers adjust their layouts but I can't figure out how to do it. Are there any instructions to help available?
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JRJathome 2017-12-31 17:34
Customizing it requires poking through the json files. Click the gear icon, then Packages>Export Overrides>Tracker Layout. This will create a copy of the json file in Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides. You can then open the json in notepad or notepad++. It requires some technical knowhow, but is pretty easy to understand.
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JP | BrewersFanJP 2017-12-31 17:37
Ah, I see it now. Yeah, this is nothing. Should be easy enough to do. Thanks.
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EmoSaru 2017-12-31 17:37
FYI, tracker layout is the layout of the tracker app itslef
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For most streamers, you want to customize the broadcast layout
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That's what displays in the broadcast window (F2), which is how you can customize what you see on stream without having to mess with how you like the app itself
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JP | BrewersFanJP 2017-12-31 17:39
Ok, thanks for the advice.
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Waifu 2018-01-16 22:07
probably a dumb questin but how do i move the items on the tracker?
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JRJathome 2018-01-16 22:42
In the menu, you can extract an override file which creates a new .json in documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides. You can then open that .json file in a basic editor such as notepad and move stuff around in there.
22:45
It might seem daunting to edit a file if you don't have any experience in coding, but with the way Emo has it set up, it's pretty straightforward.
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Deleted User 2018-01-17 14:37
I want to learn how to edit layouts in the override files. Where's a good place to get started?
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EmoSaru 2018-01-17 14:40
I am working on documentation for the format, but was slowed down massively by GDQ (and now I'm sick).
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It's a high priority for me though
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In the meantime, there are some example snippets people have posted in a few channels here, and I recommend just playing around with things.
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Deleted User 2018-01-17 14:45
Damn that GDFlu
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Blackjac 2018-01-22 10:12
Can I just say I love this tracker for Keysanity. Thank you for making it! speedGG
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EmoSaru 2018-01-22 10:38
Thanks for using it, and I’m glad you’re enjoying it. 😃
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-23 13:41
I just wanted to say I really appreciate how easy things are to customize once you get used to the workflow.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 13:44
Glad you're liking it! Yeah, the documentation is sorely needed and I am terrible for being so far behind on it, but once you get the way it works, you can do a lot.
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daman4567 2018-01-23 15:26
Is there a way to make pins stay there even after you clear all the chests?
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 15:32
There is, but it's currently stored in a lame place
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So I'm moving it in the next app version
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I'm just gonna say "it's coming soon", because the way it's stored right now is legacy and would involve you overriding something you shouldn't need to
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daman4567 2018-01-23 15:34
what would you need to override?
15:35
I'm capable of editing the code if I need to
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 15:35
The code is not open source at this point, and likely won't be anytime soon (edited)
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There's a setting in tracker_layout if you override that
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But be advised that you'll want to delete that override as soon as I release the next version, as the setting there will cease to work
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daman4567 2018-01-23 15:37
yeah, I just want a fix for now
15:37
I'll revert it if i need to later
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 15:37
kk
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-23 15:41
Oh hey I just noticed the option to do custom images for disabled items, so I can do fun stuff like make right click add silver arrows to bow, etc. that's cool.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 15:44
Yup
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It's the cloest thing currently available to the pughud bow control, but with different input gestures
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-23 15:46
And yeah that's why I was happy to find this, because I liked that a lot about pughud.
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But I wanted to go to a 1/1 match with the menu layout in the game instead of having the bomb missing.
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So this has been good.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 15:46
If you come up with a good item definition for it, send it my way (plus the images). I might just add it in as a new item option that people can switch out for in their layouts
15:46
Then keep the single silver arrow for the item capture UI
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-23 15:47
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 15:47
(when you find things on e.g. library in the location pack) (edited)
15:47
Nice
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-23 15:47
Bat also made sense to me with fake powder being a thing, haha.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 15:47
Indeed
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Bat + bottle is less an issue in the location pack where you clear the locations themselves, but yeah
15:48
I like your duck on the flute too
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-23 15:48
Yeah, I was just going for a check mark initially but I was like "Let's make it a little nicer."
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 15:48
If you want to contribute your assets, you'll get credit in the version update accouncement and my eternal gratitude for saving me photoshop time, lol.
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-23 15:49
I can send them to you sure, just a sec.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 15:49
It's no rush, I can't do anything with it until later tonight anyway
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JRJathome 2018-01-23 15:55
I wouldn't mind having those either since I tend to use the items only pack.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-23 16:00
Sometime in the next couple of days, that'll happen
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I have a couple of other minor fixes to packs to issue, so it'll roll in with that
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-24 08:15
One spot for two boomerangs working too. 😮
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Left click for blue, right-click for red.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-24 10:41
Nice! I like this as a clever use of progressive toggles. 👍
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Deleted User 2018-01-24 14:56
ok, Noob here. How do I change the item layout (if possible)?
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JRJathome 2018-01-24 15:28
In the menu, you can export the layout file. It'll be created in Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides/{pack name}. It's a json file that you can edit in notepad. It'll look like this.
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It seems a little intimidating if you don't have experience in coding, but Emo has the items labelled pretty clearly. Just rearrange those labels and save the json file. If you mess something up and cause the tracker to crash, you can delete the file and the tracker will revert to default settings.
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Deleted User 2018-01-24 15:32
Thank you!
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Deleted User 2018-01-24 17:17
@Dudude Dude How did you add icons, or are you willing to share your layout file?
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EmoSaru 2018-01-24 17:19
You can add icons in the override directory, and refer to them just like they're in the pack.
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-24 17:19
It's a little more involved, but if you go to Documents\EmoTracker\overrides\packnamehere\ and create an images folder you can just add icons there, then reference them in the items.json
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EmoSaru 2018-01-24 17:20
But also, some of @Dudude Dude 's changes may be showing up in updated versions of the standard packs this week.
17:20
Because they're awesome. 😃
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-24 17:20
Thanks ❤
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Deleted User 2018-01-24 17:20
yay
17:20
I'll just wait on those changes then :_)
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I would like to add heart pieces. It's strange, but it's good to know when I'm at 3, and the next one will refill my life. Also good for water walking into waterfall. Fourth heart piece causes an annoyance
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-24 17:22
Oh that reminds me, do you want the image files for the doubled up boomerangs as well @EmoSaru ?
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EmoSaru 2018-01-24 17:23
Yas please
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Because, again, you are awesome.
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NickMusk 2018-01-24 23:24
Is there a way to enlarge the tracker that I am missing?
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EmoSaru 2018-01-24 23:25
You can do it by overriding the layout
23:25
but the size of e.g. the item tracker portion is generally fixed
23:26
I am planning on adding a global scale in the near future=
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But it's not here right now
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NickMusk 2018-01-24 23:26
Okay. I'm able to make the map and pinned location areas bigger, but I was hoping to make the tracker part a bit bigger, mostly for keysanity
23:27
I use a touch screen and have fat fingers
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EmoSaru 2018-01-24 23:27
If you want to do it right now, you can use the gear menu to export a tracker layout override for each pack
23:27
They end up in your Documents/EmoTracker folder
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There are a few ways to scale, but the easiest is to add a
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(or whatever) attribute to the root element on the itemgrid layouts
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NickMusk 2018-01-24 23:29
Ok, I'll give that a try
23:29
Thank you
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EmoSaru 2018-01-24 23:29
integer scales will look the best, so if a scale of 2 works for you, that may be best
23:29
No problem
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Dudude Dude 2018-01-25 06:29
With the new loop attribute, here's an example of how to make pieces of heart work with it https://pastebin.com/U85rQz2p
Piece of Heart Example - Pastebin.com
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Hexmage 2018-01-25 13:57
is there anyway to change the layout of the current packages?
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EmoSaru 2018-01-25 14:05
You can export layout overrides for the active pack from the gear menu. Check around in the Discord for more information (I'm at work), people ask this a lot.. (edited)
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fylion 2018-01-25 14:18
To customize your tracker layout: Gear->Export Overriders->Tracker Layout Then visit Documents\EmoTracker\user_overrides<Package> and edit the file "tracker_layout.json" If you just want to tinker with the order things appear, reorder the block of item names under "row" (starts around line 20). If you modify and save this file then press F5 in the tracker, it will load these new options. You can tweak the broadcast layout in a similar fashion by with Gear->Export Overriders->Broadcast Layout and looking in the same directory.
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Maybe pin that, or something like it?
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EmoSaru 2018-01-25 14:30
Documentation on a whole Confluence site is in-progress
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fylion 2018-01-25 14:36
Yeah I'm excited to see what incorrect assumptions I've made.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-25 14:46
Me too
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jessespy 2018-01-27 20:25
hi
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EmoSaru 2018-01-27 20:35
Welcome!
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msmetroid 2018-01-27 20:35
HI.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-27 21:57
Also welcome!
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Deleted User 2018-01-29 09:49
Question, how does Mimic Cave work on the location tracker? While playing a keysanity seed, I had everything for TR except fire rod and the big key. (Mitts, hammer, medallion, cane, all 4 small keys), and Mimic Cave was still yellow.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-29 09:51
It is not guaranteed that you can access mimic cave without the fire rod tho?
09:52
Oh wait, keysanity
09:52
That is likely a bug in the logic, it’s probably using the same thing as open
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Deleted User 2018-01-29 09:52
Understandable
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EmoSaru 2018-01-29 09:53
I’ll check the keysanity logic for it tonight
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Deleted User 2018-01-29 09:53
TR is tough in keysanity.
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EmoSaru 2018-01-29 09:53
It can be, but mimic cave is not that complicated to fix
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Deleted User 2018-01-29 09:54
Because is it the correct path to check the vanilla BK chest, or “steal” the pokey key? 🤷🏻‍♂️
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EmoSaru 2018-01-29 09:54
Yeah
09:54
But mimic cave logic is sane regardless of that choice
09:54
So that’s fixable regardless
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iBazly 2018-01-30 12:10
😱 PugHUD and EmoTracker becoming ONE? this is so exciting! 😮
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Deleted User 2018-01-30 12:20
I agree. PugHUD is what I started with, and I’m a bit ashamed to admit that I still use when I’m playing a seed on my own, and don’t need the full location tracker. At least until I have time to customize my item tracker. This is exciting news!
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EmoSaru 2018-01-30 12:24
Well, this is great news then, because there is literally no need for shame. The new PugHUD packs are great, but it's even easier to switch back and forth or customize it for your stream.
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Noraystra 2018-01-30 12:26
i may be missing it but is there a keysanity with chests layouts....im still bad at counting but wanting to do my first keysanity seed
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EmoSaru 2018-01-30 12:30
The keysanity light pack (location tracker) has chests
12:31
There is not currently a keysanity items-only tracker that has chest counts, but it's a customization option I've been considering adding
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Noraystra 2018-01-30 12:31
oh duh im a dunce
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Andy 2018-01-30 13:28
andyYay
andySmug 3
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EmoSaru 2018-01-30 13:34
Yay!
13:35
HMU here or in DM if you need anything @Andy
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jaysee 2018-01-30 15:17
so many pings sombreroguy
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EmoSaru 2018-01-30 15:18
Sorry! So many things to say 😃
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Philes 2018-01-30 21:08
Anybody here have a link for this discord? It's not letting me generate one and I'm trying to get somebody the hookup
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EmoSaru 2018-01-30 21:13
https://discord.gg/aPHDBZk
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Philes 2018-01-30 21:22
Thanks!
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EmoSaru 2018-01-30 21:24
No problem!
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-01-31 22:49
Mobile is so bad that I cant read the announcement if people keep adding reactions
22:49
Keeps centering me to a different post
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Clifford 2018-01-31 22:50
oops sorry
22:50
was excited I got the ability to react
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-01-31 22:50
Haha
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Just another silly discord bug
22:51
Like how display pics just graft onto the wrong person
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Clifford 2018-01-31 22:51
I've seen that
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Deleted User 2018-02-01 00:41
That happened to me with an announcement in the keysanity tournament.
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Pokedude14 2018-02-01 06:55
Not sure if this is the right place, but the 2 chests in Aga Tower can be obtained with only 1 key, but the tracker says you need 2.
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Deleted User 2018-02-01 07:50
You need a second key to finish Aga1.
07:50
That’s why it doesn’t turn green until you get the second.
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Pokedude14 2018-02-01 08:59
I get that, but it says that the 2nd chest is also locked behind a 2nd key.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-01 09:41
Looking at my tracker that doesn’t seem to be the case?
09:42
One AT key is sufficient to get the second chest to become available for me
09:43
Make sure you have installed any updates for the pack, but I don’t believe there have been recent fixes for that.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-01 09:54
This is what I see
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09:55
The second chest is yellow due to not having the lamp
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Vascos 2018-02-01 15:24
Hellooo toinonHi
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fylion 2018-02-01 15:33
o/
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EmoSaru 2018-02-01 15:41
o/ @Vascos - welcome!
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Pokedude14 2018-02-01 16:27
ah, that's what I was confused on. Thanks Emo.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-01 16:35
np!
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JaxusX 2018-02-01 16:44
hey emo!
16:45
vascos sent me the invite to the server
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Vascos 2018-02-01 16:45
geseiiBlush
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EmoSaru 2018-02-01 16:49
o/
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daman4567 2018-02-01 20:27
why do locations disappear when i click them now
20:27
i can't unclick them if i mistakenly clicked them
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JRJathome 2018-02-01 20:29
By default, they disappear when clicked, but you can press F11 to show all locations.
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Then double click the location you accidentally clicked on to pin it, then right click the chests to restore them. (edited)
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EmoSaru 2018-02-01 21:35
Undo is a common request, but there are a few situations where it’s complicated to implement without issues. Just so people know I’m aware of it.
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jessespy 2018-02-02 03:25
where can i get the tracker?
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Vascos 2018-02-02 03:26
there is a link in #welcome
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jessespy 2018-02-02 04:04
omg so cute!
04:04
this tracker is so cute
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 04:05
That's not an adjective I've heard used for it yet, but thanks! 😃
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jessespy 2018-02-02 04:05
looks cuter then fire
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Zurai 2018-02-02 09:33
wanted to update the packs when the window suddenly expanded https://i.imgur.com/9oGrepJ.png
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09:34
thats a long ass loading bar cirSmug (edited)
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 09:38
It's been happening to multiple people. There seems to be multiple causes. My recommendation is to delete the zip file in Documents/EmoTracker/Packs and let the tracker redownload them.
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AreJa 2018-02-02 09:38
Is it possible to change the size of the item icons in the tracker? I don't currently use a tracker because I have rather unsteady hands which makes using a mouse difficult at times. Trying to click on icons gets to be very frustrating when you don't have the steadiest of hands
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Zurai 2018-02-02 09:38
hehe its fine, I just thought its a funny little bug
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 09:39
@AreJa You can, but it requires exporting an override using the gear menu and modifying the json file.
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AreJa 2018-02-02 09:40
where can I go to learn how to do so? I'm not too familiar with the process tbh
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Zurai 2018-02-02 09:40
if you export an override through the gear menu, the json file is appearing in the document folder
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AreJa 2018-02-02 09:40
ok, thanks
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Zurai 2018-02-02 09:41
https://i.imgur.com/IpTjbmx.png
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and then you use notepad++ for example to open them
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https://i.imgur.com/l4bnD5I.png
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which should look kinda like this
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 09:42
The field that you'd want to modify is "item_size". Just increase the number and save the json. Then press F5 on the tracker to reload it and the items should get bigger.
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AreJa 2018-02-02 09:43
you guys are awesome. Thanks for the help!
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Zurai 2018-02-02 09:43
you're welcome
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:42
Emo, are heart containers and heart pieces available in the latest version? If so, what are the commands for the layout?
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 14:44
Not currently
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I haven't had many requests for them
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I could add them in an update though
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:45
Isn’t my request enough? Doesn’t it override everyone else’s wishes? FeelsSadMan
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 14:45
lol
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:45
It’s ok. It’s not needed.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 14:45
It's not about "enough to get it done" it's about "what's the priority", lol 😃
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:45
Yep. Not a priority. 😃
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 14:46
For full disclosure, I'm shifting some priorities around a bit on what used to be some future work, mostly because some rather large streamers have started to use the tracker recently. I want to make sure they've got what they need, because ultimately getting some of those folks on the tracker is one of the best things for increasing adoption in the longer term. (edited)
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 14:51
Maligord, the Pughud pack has a heart piece counter that loops. You could copy that code over to whatever pack you want to use.
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You could also create a consumable object similar to what the keysanity packs use for small keys. (edited)
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:53
Create? Oh, I’m not that clever. I can copy/paste, and I’m learning to change “false” to “true”. Creating will be a few weeks.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 14:54
My only word of caution with doing that is that it currently requires overriding the items.json file. That means when I issue updates, you'll need to remove your override and re-make your changes on the new version.
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:54
I’m still searching for the item size that was mentioned in another channel
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 14:54
That is just a property on the itemgrid 's in the layouts
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:55
I see type, orientation, margin, and content. But I’m also in the PugHUD layout (edited)
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 14:55
The default is 32x32
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Which is what pugHUD uses
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you can, for example, add "item_size": 64,
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Which would double the size
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:58
ADD something? Hoo boy, let's see how this goes.
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 15:00
Yeah, I've noticed not all of the layouts have the item size field, so you may have to add it.
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 15:03
I was successful in adding it, but it didn’t have the results I wanted. But I know programming is a lot of failure before the success.
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 15:03
You're using the open mode pack with the map?
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 15:04
No, PugHUD Keysanity
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 15:06
Ok, I see your issue. So the icons got bigger, but the tracker didn't get wider to compensate.
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@Fouton (PugHUD)? Maybe you can help.
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 15:07
Exactly. Ideally, I’d like to just switch the “allow_resize” to true, and have the icons expand as I expand the window.
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-02-02 15:08
You'd need to go to the height/width and set those too
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 15:08
Ok, scroll to the bottom until you see "width": 242, (edited)
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and put // in front of that
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-02-02 15:08
Unfortunately with the way an itemsonly layout works is, you either are forced to use the width of the title for allow_resize, or you have to set your own width
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 15:09
all the way at the bottom?
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 15:09
yeah
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 15:10
Unfortunately, this is necessary due to the way WPF handles user-drawn windows. Without getting technical, it's really annoying, but there's not a lot I can do about it without doing some very complicated shenanigans.
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 15:11
understandable.
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This is where I'm at. Moderate success!
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you guys are awesome!
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 15:13
Yeah, you'll have to add the item size to each array to increase the size of the rest. Then you'll have to modify the width of the window too.
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Deleted User 2018-02-02 15:13
what are the default sizes of the keys?
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Or! Is there a way to add buttons underneath the keys?
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like a go mode, or the aforementioned heart containers?
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Or would that mess up the margins?
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 15:17
You'd have to add an additional array, which I don't have experience with.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 15:20
The keys should already be specifying item_height and item_width I think...
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a lot of those things in the keys section are custom sized
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hmm, interesting
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they're not actually doing that
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Maybe I'm smarter than I thought, one sec
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fylion 2018-02-02 15:22
I wanted to make my tracker bigger so I just used the "scale" parameter on the whole thing.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 15:22
Oh
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Yeah, you can also do that @fylion
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Although just be aware that the item_size/width/height property uses a different scaling method than scale does
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So pixel art will tend to be sharper if you set the item size in the itemgrids
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But it's generally fine, and 2x will look perfect regardless
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Fouton didn't use itemgrids for the keys
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He used the single item element
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Which auto-sizes to the content unless width/height are present
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So, I recommend addings "scale": 2, to the vertical array containing all the keysanity stuff
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fylion 2018-02-02 15:26
I have pixel-art issues with my own icons that I need to fix anyways, unrelated to the function differences. But this is useful to know.
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 15:28
Adding the scale in pughud works, but the EP big key icon isn't lined up with the others for some reason.
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Like, it's a couple pixels off. Perhaps it's due to not having a small key icon there?
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EmoSaru 2018-02-02 15:29
Most likely
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I'd have to dig deeper to fix it
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You might be able tofudge the margin a bit to fix it (edited)
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Or it might be that that image is actually 1 pixel off
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in the unscaled version
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but doubling it makes it more noticeable
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iEnjoyCoffee 2018-02-02 16:31
How do you pick the medallion for TR and mire?
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cant figure it out
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 16:33
right click the medallion in your item layout (edited)
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iEnjoyCoffee 2018-02-02 16:37
o0o0o0oo0
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ty
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msmetroid 2018-02-02 16:46
I want the "BOTH" instead of 2 like Willard uses, but I'm lazy.
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JRJathome 2018-02-02 16:50
Here's the images. Just extract them to Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides/pack name/images.
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The images have the same file names as the original images, so the tracker should automatically use them instead of the default.
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msmetroid 2018-02-02 16:53
waaaaaaw.
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ur so good JR.
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squeeee!
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Dudude Dude 2018-02-03 07:13
I've also done some other extra customization, I didn't like how narrow certain items were compared to others, so I decided to touch up the menu versions of those items with the palettes they'd have on the overworld.
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And of course little pluses next to this particular crystal/pendant display. (edited)
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Images in this .rar in case anyone else wants them.
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msmetroid 2018-02-03 12:15
Oooh, I like that you list AT with the Aga icon instead of having it in with the menu items.
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Andy 2018-02-03 12:23
alright time to download this badboy
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Andy 2018-02-03 12:30
is there a way to move stuff around/reorganize
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i'm sure there is i just can't figure it out lol
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JRJathome 2018-02-03 12:37
Click the gear menu, Packages>Export Overrides>Tracker Layout. This will create a json file at Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides/pack name. You can edit it using something like notepad or notepad++.
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Andy 2018-02-03 12:42
ah cool cool that's easy enough
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now just need to figure out a good way to lay it out long ways :v
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EmoSaru 2018-02-03 12:43
It will adapt to the layout you setup
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If you're using the pughud pack, you just need to adjust the width of the tracker after (see near the bottom of the file)
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Andy 2018-02-03 12:44
yeah i know i just meant like the way to lay it out
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i like everything being tight
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just need to mess around with a 4 row layout
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cuz i wanna fit input display under it without it looking bad
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http://puu.sh/zfXWu/a849665469.jpg
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EmoSaru 2018-02-03 12:45
You can also adjust the size of the items
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Also, you're totally free to move things amongst rows, etc.
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So you can absolutely have fewer rows that are longer
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In the itemgrid you can add e.g. "item_size": 28 and shrink them
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But you can play with the values
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item_margin will adjust the spacing between items
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and supports, "global", "horizontal, vertical", or "left,top,right,bottom" formats
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Vulajin 2018-02-03 14:38
this is incredibly pretty wow
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EmoSaru 2018-02-03 14:39
Thanks! I try to keep things at least clean, so that it's pleasant to use
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Dudude Dude 2018-02-03 14:42
I actually based my layout on the keysanity one, except I ripped out all the keysanity functionality @msmetroid Could share the overrides if anyone's interested, just keep in mind it requires a custom items.json so it could make you miss out on some updates.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-03 14:43
I have a feature in the works that would allow you to extend certain files, rather than override them
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So you could add/replace specific items
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Still doesn't eliminate the risk when updates are issued, but minimizes/localizes it (edited)
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Dudude Dude 2018-02-03 14:47
That'd be excellent.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-03 14:49
Yeah. Once that's done, I may actually semi-retire broadcast_layout.json, and switch to just using a named-layout
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Existing files would work, but I would preferentially use extension-provided layouts
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JRJathome 2018-02-03 14:51
I noticed pughud's broadcast layout is set to copy whatever you do to the tracker layout. 😆
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EmoSaru 2018-02-03 14:51
Yeah
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It's still fully overrideable, obviously
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That was just a convenience, given that it's a legacy layout
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as in, recreating a particular app
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JRJathome 2018-02-03 14:52
makes sense
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fylion 2018-02-05 00:21
Sakua gets a tag but Willard doesn't 🤔 (edited)
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JRJathome 2018-02-05 00:23
I think you can only tag people in the discord. Willard's not in this discord.
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fylion 2018-02-05 00:24
Well that explains a lot, but also raises so many questions.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-05 00:36
lol
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Indeed
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Deleted User 2018-02-05 17:21
aye
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SakuraTsubasa 2018-02-05 18:56
Its cause Im awesome inthenCooool
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Jk
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EmoSaru 2018-02-05 18:58
I mean, you are
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JRJathome 2018-02-06 15:35
Emo confirms she's mean. 😛
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EmoSaru 2018-02-06 15:36
Huh? How?
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Oh
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Lol
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JRJathome 2018-02-06 15:37
Yeah, I wish I had thought of that joke last night when you wrote that.
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jaysee 2018-02-06 15:48
MeanoSaru? sadgrub
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EmoSaru 2018-02-06 16:36
That’s what they call me when I turn oozaru Goku-style and start smashing
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Felix_TC 2018-02-08 11:08
is there a smash bros pack now or something?
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EmoSaru 2018-02-08 11:10
No, but if I had any idea what such a pack should do, it might be funny LOL
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Felix_TC 2018-02-08 11:11
I have no idea what it would do either, maybe it's just a soundboard
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-02-08 11:14
huh
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thats an interesting thought
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sound support would be interesting and also turn your program into a soundboard
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EmoSaru 2018-02-08 11:23
Hmm, indeed
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Also I may have already laid some of the groundwork for sound support recently for... reasons
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Felix_TC 2018-02-08 11:23
think of the memes..
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apparently you already had
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fylion 2018-02-08 11:23
Sound is already supported and I support it 1000%
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-02-08 11:23
!hud aga
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EmoSaru 2018-02-08 11:24
close
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fylion 2018-02-08 11:24
smth like that
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EmoSaru 2018-02-08 11:24
https://clips.twitch.tv/PlumpRenownedGuanacoTF2John
SakuraTsubasa Playing The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - Twitch Clips
HUD Flush - Clipped by thefogz
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-02-08 11:25
lmfao
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jtn2002 2018-02-08 12:57
Who-what-how-what-HUH?!
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EmoSaru 2018-02-08 12:57
Surprise, chat hud with Twitch integration is coming 😃
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It's in limited testing right now
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But will be available for everyone not too long from now
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jtn2002 2018-02-08 12:58
So, let me get this straight. Someone types a !flush in chat and hud goes flush?
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EmoSaru 2018-02-08 12:58
!hud flush, but yeah
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fylion 2018-02-08 13:41
I was tracking from chat earlier this week. It was pretty slick. The only real improvement I would make is to taking small keys found with arguments for the quantity, so that two people tracking a small key don't just add two to the counter.
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hmm, now that I think of it - if fogz and I both typed !hud hammer in quick succession, would hammer blink on and then off again?
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And can we disable the runner from tracking it themselves and messing things up?
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EmoSaru 2018-02-08 13:44
1) quantity argument (and levels for progressives) are coming
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2) if you both did that, yes, that would be result, unless I disable wrapping (which I might) (edited)
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3) It's possible, but doesn't exist yet
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fylion 2018-02-08 14:10
Look at that. I didn't even number my thoughts and she denotes them with a list. Now that's what I call developer support!1
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Dudude Dude 2018-02-08 14:22
I think the other chathud I've seen specifically needs someone in chat to type "!chathud item off" to turn off an item rather than it wrapping, so that's probably something worth looking into.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-08 14:23
Yeah, that's the direction I'm leaning
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ChristosOwen 2018-02-08 17:34
christosEyes
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Krikks 2018-02-14 18:52
anyone there?
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jtn2002 2018-02-14 22:03
No!
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EmoSaru 2018-02-14 22:04
Definitely not
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Ultyma 2018-02-15 19:04
@EmoSaru hey can you please rejoin the irc channel and .quit 😃
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JRJathome 2018-02-18 21:18
Emo, why does this discord server have a /tts command? 🤣
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jaysee 2018-02-18 21:19
sombreroguy
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EmoSaru 2018-02-18 21:19
Does it?
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jaysee 2018-02-18 21:19
pls disable
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JRJathome 2018-02-18 21:19
it does
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EmoSaru 2018-02-18 21:19
Fascinating
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I've decided I like it
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JRJathome 2018-02-18 21:19
🤣
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EmoSaru 2018-02-18 21:20
Now only I can do it
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Jaysee is a butt who doesn't like fun
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See?
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It's great
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jaysee 2018-02-18 21:21
only my stream is live and it goes to stream :/
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EmoSaru 2018-02-18 21:21
Perfect
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jaysee 2018-02-18 21:21
I think I found out how to disable it app wide though now 😄
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EmoSaru 2018-02-18 21:21
👍
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Also who's the idiot at Discord who ever thought that was possibly a good idea
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JRJathome 2018-02-18 21:22
idk
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jaysee 2018-02-18 21:22
gotta make it accessible to visually impaired 😄
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JRJathome 2018-02-18 21:22
Sure, but that should be an individual setting. Not a command
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EmoSaru 2018-02-18 21:22
That's fine, but I mean as a command, rather than a client-side accessibility setting
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yeah
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jaysee 2018-02-18 21:35
oh, right
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JRJathome 2018-02-19 01:12
Will uninstalling the legacy version delete the files in Documents?
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jaysee 2018-02-19 01:14
I'm making backups anyways 😄
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JRJathome 2018-02-19 01:14
same. Better to be safe than sorry.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-19 01:15
It will not touch it, but please feel free to make all the backups you like. 😃
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P.S. I'm glad you guys are up to try this out, lol
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I tested as well as I can, but like, my computer is not the whole wide world
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plz report back 😃
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JRJathome 2018-02-19 01:17
Seems to work just fine to me.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-19 01:17
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It's actually simpler, but yeah
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Did you get the prompt in the legacy app?
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Or did you skip ahead
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JRJathome 2018-02-19 01:17
I assume only the installer's changed so I don't need to test any exporting or anything like that.
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Yeah, I got the prompt
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EmoSaru 2018-02-19 01:18
Excellent (edited)
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Yeah, only the installation/update method has changed
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No other changes are included
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JRJathome 2018-02-19 01:27
Did you push Dude's Z2 update live too?
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EmoSaru 2018-02-19 01:31
Not yet, I've been working my ass off and drinking coffee to get this out tonight
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I ran into snags kinda late
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ozipone 2018-02-19 01:58
I just installed the new version. Windows firewall didn't like it (didn't like the old version either) but this time Norton didn't have anything to say. Everything looks to be working properly
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EmoSaru 2018-02-19 02:00
Thanks for the report 👍
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Levisaxos 2018-02-19 04:23
Hey @EmoSaru , is there any plans on supporting entrance shuffle in your tracker?
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grem 2018-02-19 04:51
Chat thing public beta yet, no? 😃
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JRJathome 2018-02-19 08:56
As far as I know, the only change is Emo retired the old installer. No chat hud yet.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-19 12:33
@Levisaxos ES is definitely something I'd like to support in the future. I have plans, but there are a few features that need to be added for it to work well IMO. I'm not a huge fan of the existing trackers - not because they aren't good at what they do, but because I think there's a better way. So, yes plans, but I have no idea when.
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@grem Still closed beta - stay tuned to #announcements, that's where I'll post when it's available for everybody
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Dudude Dude 2018-02-20 10:48
Designing something for entrance shuffle actually makes me think of how speedgaming has the tracker for the Zelda 1 Randomizer set up. On that one you click a button to mark what you want to mark on the map, then you click that spot on the map. This is as opposed to the most used tracker for that game that just cycles through all possible locations as you left or right-click through them. Thinking in ALTTP ES terms that'd be equivalent to entering a house in Kakariko, finding out that it's eastern palace, having a dedicated eastern palace button that I click first, then clicking the spot where that house is. Of course this can get muddied a bit for more complicated ES modes where entrances and exits are decoupled, but I think those are better served through just taking a note that entrance X eventually leads to Y if you cycle in and out often enough.
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EmoSaru 2018-02-20 10:49
That’s (more or less) one of the ideas I’m considering, with the addition of the item/dungeon logic carrying through the connections.
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daman4567 2018-02-22 23:44
TTS as a command is useful if you want to get the attention of someone who's not in a voice channel
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grem 2018-02-26 13:06
This is.. off-topic but..
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Im dumb and.. Can i somehow.. Neatly crop the tracker (items only) to the stream overlay 🤣
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EmoSaru 2018-02-26 13:07
1) Use the broadcast view (F2). It captures nicely in OBS without having to crop.
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2) You can customize the broadcast layout - lots of examples in the various channels here
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grem 2018-02-26 13:07
Oh. My. God.
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That was simple and neato
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EmoSaru 2018-02-26 13:08
😃
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Liam_Atlas 2018-02-26 13:11
And here I've been cropping it all the time... speedNotLinkThis
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grem 2018-02-26 13:11
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I knew there was a broadcast "setting" but to me it just looked identical
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Cause it never really toggled the (f2) shenigans
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EmoSaru 2018-02-26 13:12
The only broadcast related thing in the gear menu is for exporting the layout override you can edit for it.
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jaysee 2018-02-26 13:12
I should upload images of my old setup
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grem 2018-02-26 13:12
Trying out streamlabs OBS atm..
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Seems nice.. If I COULD FIND THE GO LIVE BUTTON
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EmoSaru 2018-02-26 13:13
The broadcast view is, in my opinion, the defining feature of EmoTracker (aside from the deep customization and multi-pack support)
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Streamlabs OBS reminds me of a butt
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jaysee 2018-02-26 13:13
It's pretty buried last time I checked in streamlabs obs
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EmoSaru 2018-02-26 13:13
A bad butt
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The kind of butt I don't want to touch
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jaysee 2018-02-26 13:13
Not even with a mouse?
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grem 2018-02-26 13:13
Who the fuck buries that
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Like what
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Liam_Atlas 2018-02-26 13:13
I'm using stream labs obs and it's on the bottom right of my screen? But I'm using a classic obs scene imported into it lol
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grem 2018-02-26 13:14
That seems...
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jaysee 2018-02-26 13:14
I think they have editor mode and broadcast mode?
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grem 2018-02-26 13:14
Inverted?
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Yeah trying to find it in the dashboard.
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There's even a live view but..
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Thats like.. For being live and tools for that
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Liam_Atlas 2018-02-26 13:15
In my editor mode it's always on the bottom right. Switching to live mode once you actually go live. Don't remember if I had to toggle any options for that
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grem 2018-02-26 13:17
Yeah same.. I just had to hide... The test thingie
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appareantly very common problem according to community obs support
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theyre probably just saying that to be nice
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twitch.tv/greme
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a bit ghetto but
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its the best I could do* for now (edited)
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EmoSaru 2018-02-26 13:18
Are you in the lifestream? Please be careful to avoid overexposure to mako energy
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grem 2018-02-26 13:18
Will do my best
13:19
Should probably look into customizing the broadcast layout but... enough for one day
13:19
JSON? or easily editable? 😃
13:19
im a deeply buried c# backend cavedweller
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EmoSaru 2018-02-26 13:19
JSON
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Everything in EmoTracker is JSON
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Overrides end up in Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides
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Someday, I will actually finish and release the documentation for the layout engine
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grem 2018-02-26 13:21
Ugh, i spent like an hour documenting the community combat simulator i made for a game..
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Then i just gave up
13:21
"community plz do it for me"
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https://github.com/Vadelius/swlsimNET
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scatter 2018-02-26 14:08
SLOBS is pretty bad in my experience
14:08
i like the idea but it's missing some key features over OBS that are dealbreakers for me
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Kalak 2018-03-03 10:01
this is not tracker related, is there a place to post impossible seeds on rando?
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jaysee 2018-03-03 10:09
No seed is impossible if you glitch aroundsombreroguy
10:09
Do you have the seed link?
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Kalak 2018-03-03 10:25
I realized my mistake, for some reason I have it stuck in my head that hookshot is bonk rocks
10:25
hookshot cave
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jaysee 2018-03-03 10:26
👍
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Kalak 2018-03-03 10:26
and didnt realize that I had mitts cause I wasnt paying attention after a blind kill
10:28
I was like "what the freak, I know hera is a crystal" and my flute and mirror were in there after looking through the spoilers so that left hammer which was in hookshot cave but the boots were in GT, learning rando is a ton of fun though
10:28
it was a aga required dark world access seed at that
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jaysee 2018-03-03 10:32
oh nice! Keep it at. it'll become second nature in time 😄
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monty 2018-03-04 15:56
what does the different colors mean on the map?
15:56
green yellow blue
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and orange
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JRJathome 2018-03-04 16:01
Green is an item you can get. Blue is a location where you can see what the item is, but you can't reach it yet. Yellow is an item you can get by sequence breaking. Orange is a location with multiple items, but you can't reach all of them. (edited)
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monty 2018-03-04 16:08
ok thanks
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monty 2018-03-05 13:43
What does it mean when chests are outlined in the tracker?
13:43
more specificly the library bonkable ledge item + outlined item
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SirLinkalot 2018-03-05 13:43
something you could see but can't get you can note it so you remember what it is
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monty 2018-03-05 13:44
w0t?
13:44
isnt that what the colors are for?
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SirLinkalot 2018-03-05 13:44
if you click on the outline it will let you actually select the item
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monty 2018-03-05 13:45
aaaah
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okay
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I see now
13:45
thanks, thats really helpful
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SirLinkalot 2018-03-05 13:45
Yeah 😄 its a neat feature so you don't have to remember an important item but had the ability to see it
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monty 2018-03-05 13:45
so I can check there if theres an important item for later
13:45
and "tag" it
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SirLinkalot 2018-03-05 13:45
yup
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monty 2018-03-05 13:45
kk tyty
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SirLinkalot 2018-03-05 13:45
you're welcome
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JRJathome 2018-03-05 13:47
Other locations that are set up that way are Lumberjack Cave, the top of Spectacle Rock, Zora Ledge, Desert Ledge, the Ether and Bombos tablets and the pedestal. Those will all turn blue if you can check them but not obtain the item. I can't remember if there are others.
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EmoSaru 2018-03-05 13:48
Torch in Desert Palace also has one
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JRJathome 2018-03-05 13:48
Oh yeah.
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Maze Race too, technically, but that starts green anyway.
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EmoSaru 2018-03-05 13:48
Yeah, maze race it's assumed you'll just get it if you want it
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monty 2018-03-05 15:32
small key to castle tower? hyrule tower?
15:32
hyrule castle*
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hv
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hc 😄
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EmoSaru 2018-03-05 15:34
HC = hyrule castle (aka the dark room key)
15:34
AT = Aga Tower
15:34
The abbreviations should match the in-game key tracker, which also doesn't match the in-game text
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monty 2018-03-05 15:34
yeah but the randomizer said castle tower
15:35
small key castle tower. not sure where that is ;p i guess its hc
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EmoSaru 2018-03-05 15:35
castle tower = aga tower = AT
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monty 2018-03-05 15:35
ah ok
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EmoSaru 2018-03-05 15:35
Same as in the in-game key tracker (in the inventory screen)
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monty 2018-03-05 15:35
oh ok
15:35
thank you
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EmoSaru 2018-03-05 15:35
np
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Zan 2018-03-05 17:34
completely new here, i love your tracker, i wish there was a way to save
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EmoSaru 2018-03-05 18:15
Thanks for the feedback - saving/loading the state of the tracker is currently very low priority. It's a request that primarily comes from very new randomizer players, but those new players don't stay new for very long. 😃
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SirLinkalot 2018-03-05 18:16
You could always take a screenshot of the tracker before closing it, will take a bit of time to get it back to its current state when you pick it up, but it is an option.
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ADreadedKing 2018-03-06 02:35
i havu questionu
02:36
is the tracker connected to the ROMHack your playing or do you have to manually press the selected item you have acquired?
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ozipone 2018-03-06 02:37
It's manually operated
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ADreadedKing 2018-03-06 02:38
hmmm would be better optimized if it could be connected to the Emulator or ROMHack
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maybe
02:38
idk
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Catastrophe 2018-03-06 02:38
that's against the rules of all races
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ADreadedKing 2018-03-06 02:38
oh?
02:38
why?
02:39
its just soo you can track the items you have acquired
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Catastrophe 2018-03-06 02:39
it's a consistent rule across all randomizers in all games
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ADreadedKing 2018-03-06 02:39
oh ok
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Catastrophe 2018-03-06 02:39
no looking at your opponent's screen, and no emulator-only functionality
02:40
initially the rule was made because it disadvantaged hardware players with flash carts, who couldn't use ram watches (or sram watches)
02:40
but then everyone decided, nah tracking is a skill, click those boxes and think faster
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ADreadedKing 2018-03-06 02:40
btw is there a place i can buy a SNES controller for my PC? a legit site please
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Zurai 2018-03-06 02:41
if you look for an USB controller
02:41
check "iBuffalo" (edited)
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Catastrophe 2018-03-06 02:41
I personally use the iBuffalo SNES usb controller. It's on Amazon for less than $20.
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ADreadedKing 2018-03-06 02:43
16$
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is good price
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guess ill spend some 16$ then
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Catastrophe 2018-03-06 02:46
btw if you're new, autofire/turbo is also banned. But it's not really helpful either.
02:46
since that controller has it. It can actually mess you up if you accidentally turn it on.
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ADreadedKing 2018-03-06 02:46
ok thx
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i was just looking into randomizer runs so i though about giving it a go
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thought *
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Hancin 2018-03-07 12:01
Is it possible to make it so the tracker tries and give back focus to the snes window? I'm trying to use one of the xbox 1 controllers i have and these don't appear to work in the background
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EmoSaru 2018-03-07 12:11
As far as I'm aware, there's not really a way to "give back focus" to another window, or at least not one that wouldn't cause lots of other problems. Snes9X (and most other emulators) have an option to continue processing input while in the background. Which controller you are using should not have an effect on this.
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ozipone 2018-03-07 12:19
I have Xbone controller and can confirm that I have it working out of focus
12:19
Do you have "Enable background input" on?
12:19
@Hancin
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also you say snes window. What particular emulator are you using?
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Hancin 2018-03-07 12:21
I have snes9x 1.55 and enable background input is checked
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It works with keyboard shortcuts but the controller is stubborn
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ozipone 2018-03-07 12:21
Interesting. I believe I have heard other people have this problem but I never had it
12:21
Though I use 1.54.1
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Hancin 2018-03-07 12:24
Im running Windows 10 if that changes anything
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Fogz 2018-03-07 12:24
I have the same issue with snes9x no matter what version I use. I've just learners to click back and forth between windows very quickly :)
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EmoSaru 2018-03-07 12:25
Also with an xbone controller?
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ozipone 2018-03-07 12:26
any idea which version do you have of the controller? original, S, Elite?
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Hancin 2018-03-07 12:27
It's a xbone S controller with Bluetooth
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Fogz 2018-03-07 12:27
Yes, xbone controller and windows 10
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Hancin 2018-03-07 12:27
Does the same thing in Bluetooth and USB mode
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ozipone 2018-03-07 12:27
There's our difference. Mine should be the original version
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Fogz 2018-03-07 12:28
Mine is original version I believe
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ozipone 2018-03-07 12:28
Also Windows 8.1
12:28
Windows 10 issue?
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EmoSaru 2018-03-07 12:29
Unfortunately, there's not going to be anything I can do about this particular issue. Sounds like a Microsoft issue, so unfortunately my advice is "keep googling" and/or complain to them. 😦
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Fogz 2018-03-07 12:30
Oh yeah fwiw I never considered it an EmoTracker issue
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EmoSaru 2018-03-07 12:30
I know you didn't, just tying up my side of the thread. 😃
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Hancin 2018-03-07 12:32
If a $20 controller will fix it then that's a bit of a no brainer. Thanks for the help ( I understand this isnt emulator tech support , but the chat channel of an awesome tracker )
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EmoSaru 2018-03-07 12:43
Just a heads up... I did a bit of searching, and it may be the case that Snes9x uses DirectInput rather than XInput
12:43
In fact, I suspect that's absolutely true
12:44
There are some DirectInput emulation features that are apparently to blame, generally, for this type of thing (edited)
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Aze 💩 2018-03-07 12:45
A work around would be to use a program like hotkeynet and have it push those inputs to SNES9x no motter what. Not sure how that would work if you try to use analog though.
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Hancin 2018-03-07 14:25
it worked when i used a remap program! nice 😄
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nickybob 2018-03-07 19:15
Hello all, Could someone explain the crystals and what the plusses mean versus the amulets and plusses?
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jaysee 2018-03-07 19:21
+ = special
19:22
green pendant/crystals 5 and 6
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-03-07 21:29
@EmoSaru If we wanted to link to your tracker, where would you like us to point?
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Steely5001 2018-03-07 21:30
Look in the welcome session
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Section*
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-03-07 21:30
I mean, I see the executable. Maybe she wants us to link to the Discord server?
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Steely5001 2018-03-07 21:31
Oh, that's what you meant lol. I don't know that one
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-03-07 21:33
Maybe @iBazly can save me. I mean, he is my minion on the ALttPR server after all.
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Steely5001 2018-03-07 21:37
Wait....we're supposed to have minions? Maybe that's what I'm doing wrong lol
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JRJathome 2018-03-07 21:43
The resources document links to this discord server, so I'd use that.
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EmoSaru 2018-03-07 21:44
The Discord server is the preferred link
21:44
Because otherwise people get lost
21:44
Here they can find the latest download instructions and get help with stuff
21:45
https://discord.gg/aPHDBZk
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SakuraTsubasa 2018-03-07 21:50
Hi! I am the destroyer of souls sakuLove
sakuLove 1
sakuRIP 1
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takeru 2018-03-07 21:52
dark souls or regular souls
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jaysee 2018-03-07 21:54
oh, so that's what happened to my soul sakuRage
21:55
okay. not really. just nothing I care to share with the whole discord world :p
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SakuraTsubasa 2018-03-07 21:55
you got it kyenteCool
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takeru 2018-03-07 22:31
jokes on her i didn't have one to begin with takeru2YuguWAH
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Deleted User 2018-03-08 03:44
How do I get a Piece of heart or a heart container to show up on the capture item container?
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Deleted User 2018-03-08 04:01
Does not matter now I have found it
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Spiral90210 2018-03-13 15:38
O
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M
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G
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iBazly sent me on a crusade to get this tracker
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YASSSSSSSSSSS
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What a guy
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And what a tracker!
15:41
@EmoSaru thanks so much for this! Gonna help get these times down to non-embarrassing figures 😃
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betty 2018-03-19 10:50
How do people keep track of when it's worth going back to a dungeon? (Double dipping) just memory?
10:57
Also are there ways to figure out which medallion is needed without going all the way to dungeon? (Eg like shashashala for pendant)
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Pipo 2018-03-19 10:58
@betty since the entrance medaillons are random, there won't be a way around to atleast visit the dungeon to know which one u need (edited)
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Tombo14444 2018-03-20 12:00
Brand new to this. Haven't been able to find documentation but I'm guessing that green on the map means that you can get with current items, blue means that you can get some of them, and red means that you can't get yet?
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jaysee 2018-03-20 12:01
Blue means you can see what it is but can't get
12:01
Red means 0 access
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Tombo14444 2018-03-20 12:01
Perfect. Thanks for the quick answer
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jaysee 2018-03-20 12:02
Np. Yellow means partial access. Orange is sequence break (can do minor glitch or dark room to obtain)
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betty 2018-03-20 12:04
Aren't yellow and orange the other way around?
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JRJathome 2018-03-20 12:05
Yeah. Yellow is sequence break.
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betty 2018-03-20 12:05
Except in some cases where yellow means you can clear dungeon but not get all items
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jaysee 2018-03-20 12:05
Shh.. I'm 🙃 sometimes
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JRJathome 2018-03-20 12:06
Yeah. Dungeon spots are a little weird. In dungeons, Yellow means you can beat the dungeon but can't get all items. Orange in dungeons means you can reach some items, but the dungeon isn't beatable.
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Tombo14444 2018-03-20 12:07
But prob that could change if you get lucky with the chests inside? Or does it already know what's in the chests and take that into account?
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jaysee 2018-03-20 12:08
It'll change when you update your new items
12:08
Can't tell what's in those chests. If it did, it'd be banned for races.
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Tombo14444 2018-03-20 12:09
Well that's good. Would make it a bit too easy
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deathbringer 2018-03-20 12:13
So yea more or less the items u find in thr dungeon could change it to u being able to finish the dungeon
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Tombo14444 2018-03-20 12:15
So I guess the skill comes in knowing how much of it you can do with what items you have. Figuring out whether or not it's worth it to risk taking the time to go in before green
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deathbringer 2018-03-20 12:16
B Thats kinda how i look at it, im still pretty new myself
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EmoSaru 2018-03-20 12:19
@Tombo14444 that’s exactly correct
12:19
It’s always up to the player to know enough to interpret what the tracker is telling you
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Tombo14444 2018-03-20 12:34
Only got to mess with it for about 20 mins on my lunch break, but the tracker looks great. Will be super useful
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fylion 2018-03-21 17:23
what.
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EmoSaru 2018-03-21 17:27
@Deleted User - please don't do that again, or I'll be forced to ban you.
17:27
...and I really don't want to ban people here.
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Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:05
sorry didnt know
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InfamousGM1 2018-03-23 19:08
so with this tracker for alttp does it automatically know when you get a chest or item or do you have to always manually click what you get?
19:09
trying to find a way to integrate with obs for my streams
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deathbringer 2018-03-23 19:09
Manual as far i know
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InfamousGM1 2018-03-23 19:10
so i would have to pull up the window every time i get something then. is that how you all use it for streaming?
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deathbringer 2018-03-23 19:10
I dont stream, i would recomend a second screan and have both up at the same time
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InfamousGM1 2018-03-23 19:11
fair enough i only have the ability currently for one screen so ill make it work.
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deathbringer 2018-03-23 19:14
I play casually on a laptop, so i just pull it up as a i go then minimize it and keep playing
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scatter 2018-03-23 20:58
just leave the window up and don't have the emulator take up too much space
20:58
you won't find auto trackers anymore really
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Zephyr 2018-03-23 20:59
Once you right-click a box on the map to remove it, is there any way to re-add it without resetting the tracker?
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deathbringer 2018-03-23 21:36
Nt that i know of, anyone else?
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jaysee 2018-03-23 21:43
F11 to show all items
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click on the box, right click at least 1 chest there (edited)
21:43
hit F11 again to hide the red boxes (edited)
21:49
@Zephyr
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Zephyr 2018-03-23 22:10
Got it, thank you
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betty 2018-03-23 22:29
Or just leave F11 on always as it's useful for planning
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really_fat_guy 2018-03-24 20:32
Just curious, what does the green circle with GO mean in the item display mean in the tracker?
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Tomothy 2018-03-24 20:32
GO mode!
20:33
When you have all of the items you need to clear the dungeons remaining to get to Ganon
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EmoSaru 2018-03-24 20:33
It's not automatic - it's just for you to mark, as some people like to have it on their stream for viewers who might not know.
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really_fat_guy 2018-03-24 20:33
So just means you're ready to face Ganon?
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Joey Jojo Jr. 2018-03-24 20:34
i wonder if it's possible for it to go automatically to GO mode?
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EmoSaru 2018-03-24 20:34
It' s possible, to an extent, but I'm not going to do it.
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Joey Jojo Jr. 2018-03-24 20:34
i wouldn't blame you
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EmoSaru 2018-03-24 20:35
There are cases I can't handle, because a lot of times go mode is "probably", but recognizing go mode is a skill that I don't want to subvert.
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Tomothy 2018-03-24 20:35
Yeah, too many edge cases to make it automatic.
20:36
@really_fat_guy kind of. Let’s say Mire is a crystal and you don’t have mirror yet, when you get Mirror you could be in Go Mode even though you can’t face Ganon just yet.
20:36
Being in Go Mode means you don’t have to search for items anymore
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really_fat_guy 2018-03-24 20:38
So you have all the items needed to be able to get to Ganon, but could still be missing come crystals.
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Tomothy 2018-03-24 20:38
Exactly. At least that’s my understanding of Go Mode
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really_fat_guy 2018-03-24 20:38
Cool, thanks!
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Joey Jojo Jr. 2018-03-24 20:39
you need all the crystals to actually get into GT don't forget
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Tomothy 2018-03-24 20:39
Basically you can speed through dungeons in Go Mode
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Joey Jojo Jr. 2018-03-24 20:39
once you know you have all the items needed you don't really need to waste time looking anymore
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really_fat_guy 2018-03-24 20:41
Yup, makes sense. I won't be speed running anytime soon... Almost beat the randomizer for the first time. I just finally found the ice rod to be able to beat Turtle Rock.
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Joey Jojo Jr. 2018-03-24 20:42
once you figure the game outmentally it's not bad
20:42
and don't be afraid to ask questions, we're a very accepting community
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Tomothy 2018-03-24 20:44
Absolutely. A few months ago I could barely make my way through vanilla game without checking a ton of maps. Now I play all kinds of randomizers. It’s a ton of fun and one of the best communities online.
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really_fat_guy 2018-03-24 20:49
I'm pretty comfortable with the vanilla game, I just needed a more in depth knowledge to get through this since key items could be anywhere.
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Joey Jojo Jr. 2018-03-24 20:51
i remember playing it for fun before I knew about the community
20:51
some guy came in and kept saying go mode to me
20:51
I had no idea what he was talking about
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scatter 2018-03-24 22:02
putting automatic go mode on the tracker prevents situations like saku continuing to search for absolutely nothing after hitting go mode in the bit race 😛
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Bobsled 2018-03-25 11:53
Is there a way to save multiple Games being tracked, im casual AF and wasnt done my run last night >:)
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Spleebie 2018-03-25 14:04
You can launch the tracker more than once and each works separately, but there's no save/load functionality
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Zephyr 2018-03-26 11:40
@Bobsled Best I've done with that was to screenshot the items/map and get it back to where it was after reloading it
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EVKnucklehead 2018-03-26 21:40
Another option for when you're just playing casually is to leave the tracker open and minimized until you go back to the game. You do have to hope that the power doesn't go out and that the OS doesn't try to update, but it doesn't take up much of the system's resources so it shouldn't get in the way of anything.
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Yoinkerswife 2018-03-26 21:54
Hi. Sorry if this has been asked a million times, but is there a way within the tracker to have it "always on top" so that I can use just one monitor and still have the game large? I can't see well when it's small.
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estragon0 2018-03-26 23:01
i think you currently still need a third party program, i use turbotop
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Yoinkerswife 2018-03-26 23:02
Thank you!
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Kzinssie 2018-03-27 12:28
how do i restore a chest i clicked off accidentally without resetting the entire thing
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EmoSaru 2018-03-27 12:28
Right click on the chest
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Kzinssie 2018-03-27 12:28
i mean like, the whole dot is just gone
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EmoSaru 2018-03-27 12:29
Hit F11 to show completed (and inaccessible) locations (edited)
12:29
You canthendouble click to pin it and right click the chests
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or hold the left button and mouse over the popup to keep it open
12:29
thenright click the chests
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JRJathome 2018-03-27 12:43
Could you add that to #faq, Emo? It seems to get asked a lot.
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EmoSaru 2018-03-27 12:47
Yeah, I'll add it later today
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Joey Jojo Jr. 2018-03-28 01:25
is there someway to resize the broadcaster tracker?
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EmoSaru 2018-03-28 01:49
The broadcast window is fixed size (although you can certainly scale it in OBS). If you want to customize it (including the size, etc.) use the gear menu to export an override for it and edit the jsons in <Documents>/EmoTracker/user_overrides/<pack_name>
01:49
You can find various posts here on how to customize aspects of the layout if you get lost/stuck
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Alex 2018-03-30 06:51
how do I get the map to show up?
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ozipone 2018-03-30 06:57
You need to have a package that is not item only
06:58
if you click on the "package manager" at the toolbar you can download keysanity or open mode map
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Alex 2018-03-30 06:58
ok thanks
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ozipone 2018-03-30 06:58
np
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Murnco 2018-04-01 03:40
Is there anyway to seperate HC, Sewers, and Sanc chest locations? Since the bombable sewer wall is locked behind glove logic feels like it should be a seperate location. I know it's yellow if you don't have glove so maybe I need to just get gud and mark the chests open/closed properly. (edited)
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EmoSaru 2018-04-01 03:43
They're grouped primarily because the game treats them as such
03:43
They're all one dungeon
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Murnco 2018-04-01 03:43
This makes sense. I'll try my get gud method. 😃
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EmoSaru 2018-04-01 03:46
lol, godspeed 😃
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Yawns 2018-04-01 19:00
Is there a way to restore an item location on the map without resetting the tracker?
19:01
i.e. if I clear a location by mistake by right clicking, I can't seem to restore just that one spot
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EmoSaru 2018-04-01 19:02
Just added to the #faq
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Yawns 2018-04-01 19:02
tyvm!
19:02
great program btw
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EmoSaru 2018-04-01 19:02
Thanks, glad you're enjoying it!
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FajitaKnight 2018-04-02 12:32
hi all, is there a way to install run this tracker in macOS?
12:33
just kidding, ust read the faq
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fylion 2018-04-02 12:33
April 1st was yesterday 😃
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FajitaKnight 2018-04-02 13:18
it was... im obviously pretty slow though
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Pokedude14 2018-04-08 18:07
any progress on v29 packages?
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EmoSaru 2018-04-08 18:29
Aside from the new retro mode, I am not aware of any changes in v29 that would need new packages. If you know of some, I’d love to hear them.
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JRJathome 2018-04-08 19:24
According to the document, the only changes I see involve some key logic in PoD, which shouldn't affect the location tracker. There's some OWG logic changes, which would be @jaysee's department. There's also some changes in logic for Trinexx, but it talks about situations where you don't have the hammer, so that would only affect entrance shuffle and overworld glitches. 🤔
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There's also some changes in requirements for the Ganon fight if silver arrows aren't in the item pool, so you have enough magic to win.
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jaysee 2018-04-08 19:41
A couple logic fixes to match intent are the main things in relation to the packs
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yoko (Tsukune0078) 2018-04-08 19:47
Was never good with silver less gannon
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EmoSaru 2018-04-08 19:52
Yeah, my expectation is that the worst case scenario would be a change in whether some things are sequence breaks or not. I’m not sure if any of those happened though... spike cave shenanigans were done earlier, I believe.
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yoko (Tsukune0078) 2018-04-08 20:04
I hear you on that.
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Tomothy 2018-04-10 11:49
Hey Emo, gl on your race tonight vs Jaxus!
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berndipuh 2018-04-10 11:51
gl hf. is There a Code what the colours refers to?
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Tomothy 2018-04-10 11:51
do you mean the blue/orange/white/green on the speedgaming schedule page?
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berndipuh 2018-04-10 11:53
yes i only wonder what's the difference between yellow and orange
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sorry in the tracker
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EmoSaru 2018-04-10 11:54
FYI, this is not my personal discord - this is the discord for EmoTracker.
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So in general, let's keep this discord to just tracker-related traffic. 😃
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In the tracker, yellow = sequence breakable, or in dungeons, potentially clearable (you may not be able to access certain chests, but it's possible to get all the items if they're distributed right)
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Orange = mixed access, i.e. some sections of the location are accessible (even as sequence breaks), but others are not accessible at all
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berndipuh 2018-04-10 11:56
thank you ^^
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Pongleung 2018-04-10 11:56
is there have a way to undo when i misclick the right click ?
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Tomothy 2018-04-10 11:57
you can show all chests (F11 I think)
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Pongleung 2018-04-10 11:57
o thanks~~
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jaysee 2018-04-10 12:58
Good luck using emotracker during your race emo sombreroguy
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EmoSaru 2018-04-10 12:58
It will be a mighty struggle, and also, nice loophole usage jerk 😉
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jaysee 2018-04-10 12:59
salutezume
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SKELET0N MAN 2018-04-10 19:32
Emotracker was working a few days ago, and all of a sudden my packages won't load! it doesn't even show that they are installed in the program but i can clearly see that they are in the folders in my harddrive. any help fixing this would be greatly appreciated
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EmoSaru 2018-04-10 19:32
ummmmm
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one sec
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SKELET0N MAN 2018-04-10 19:34
i just tried installing the item only one and it worked, but the open mode one will not install
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EmoSaru 2018-04-10 19:34
Have you tried restarting the tracker?
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SKELET0N MAN 2018-04-10 19:34
yes
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EmoSaru 2018-04-10 19:34
Okay, unfortunately I have a tournament race I ahve to setup for
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So I can't help right now
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Also, if you h
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Also check your user_overrides directory
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and if there is stuff in there, try running without it
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Hopefully somebody else can help while I'm racing
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Otherwise, screenshots/etc. may help
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SKELET0N MAN 2018-04-10 19:35
thanks, ill see if it helps.
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nope, ill tinker around with it a little more and see if i can fix it. I'll say how i fix it if i end up fixing it
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EmoSaru 2018-04-10 19:42
One thing that's work trying is just renaming your Documents/EmoTracker folder
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that will let you try a fully clean install
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more or less
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and see if that helps
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SKELET0N MAN 2018-04-10 19:44
That worked! Thank you so much
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also, I love your tracker. Keep up the good work 😃
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SZTriumph675 2018-04-13 06:10
am I missing something here. I ran into this in my race yesterday. The tracker said i had access to TT/West Dark World, but how would I get there with no glove?
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Tomothy 2018-04-13 06:11
Hookshot
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SZTriumph675 2018-04-13 06:11
its on the other side of the rock/peg/boulder
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ph peg
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Tomothy 2018-04-13 06:11
from east of pyramid
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SZTriumph675 2018-04-13 06:11
dummy
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Tomothy 2018-04-13 06:11
lol
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that one gets me a lot too
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Deryk 2018-04-13 06:11
It's ok. I think everyone gets caught by that their first time they see it.
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SeePower 2018-04-13 06:12
exact same thing happened to me this time yesterday morning
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SZTriumph675 2018-04-13 06:13
haha yea, in the heat of the moment I was like how the hell do I get there. ended up routing south and ironically found the glove at dig game
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scatter 2018-04-13 06:55
you can also be forced to flipper to the hookshot spot
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kb_z 2018-04-14 08:10
Hi, is there any way I can prevent the broadcast view to show pinned locations?
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ozipone 2018-04-14 09:04
Not sure if that is possible but if you use it only for stream then you can just use OBS features to crop the bottom out
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Arius 2018-04-14 10:14
It is possible with user overrides. I don't exactly remember how but it should be around the bottom of the broadcaster config
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kb_z 2018-04-14 14:04
or just put something on top like a black bar or something lol :)
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(in OBS)
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EmoSaru 2018-04-14 14:10
It's a pretty easy override to do
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estragon0 2018-04-14 17:56
yeah, i did it by just deleting that whole bit in the override file
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it's basically the second half and is pretty clearly labeled so you shouldn't have any trouble finding it
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jaysee 2018-04-14 18:32
did you get it figured out @kb_z ?
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kb_z 2018-04-14 18:47
nope, just put something on top on my layout
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jaysee 2018-04-14 18:56
which pack are you using?
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kb_z 2018-04-14 19:03
ALTTP Rando
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jaysee 2018-04-14 19:03
LinkRIP
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Open mode? Keysanity?
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kb_z 2018-04-14 19:03
open v28
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jaysee 2018-04-14 19:04
okay
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Do you know how to export an overide?
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kb_z 2018-04-14 19:04
nope :v
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just installed the app today
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jaysee 2018-04-14 19:05
No worries. Just need to determine at which point I need to start in order to help you 😄
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Top right, you'll see the gear icon, click on that. Then Packages -> Export Overides -> Broadcast Layout
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Then you go to your <Documents/My Documents> folder
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then EmoTracker -> user_overrides -> alttprando_v27_open_emosaru
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Then open "broadcast_layout.json" (You can use notepad if you have nothing else that can edit json files)
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kb_z 2018-04-14 19:10
delete that bit?
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jaysee 2018-04-14 19:10
ye. I'm making a bigger, easier to read version
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Image attachment
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whoops. missed one thing you need to delete.
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You need to delete that } after the highlighted portion as well
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actually, no you don't, just delete the one with the comma and all will be well
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kb_z 2018-04-14 19:12
ok
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anything else I need to do?
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jaysee 2018-04-14 19:15
save it. then hit F5 on emotracker
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kb_z 2018-04-14 19:17
nice, thanks a bunch!
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jaysee 2018-04-14 19:38
you're welcome!
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Valdívia 2018-04-19 12:38
hi can someone explain why the chests in zoras domain and waterfall turn yellow when i grab the boots?
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EmoSaru 2018-04-19 12:39
There is a water walk that can be setup using the boots only
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jaysee 2018-04-19 12:39
Waterwalk glitch
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Valdívia 2018-04-19 12:39
and magic bat turns yellow when i have mush, somaria and hammer
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EmoSaru 2018-04-19 12:39
Fake powder glitch
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Valdívia 2018-04-19 12:39
ah, i will serach about then, ty
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search
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Deleted User 2018-04-19 12:42
Hey guys!
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Sorry for the nub question, but what do the square's colors actually mean?
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Is that written somewhere?
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JRJathome 2018-04-19 13:17
Green means you can get all items at that location. Blue means you can see what the item is, but you can't get it yet. If you pin the location, you can mark what the item is if it's important. Yellow (in the overworld) means you can reach the item with a minor glitch, but it's considered a sequence break. Yellow (in a dungeon) means you can possibly complete the dungeon, but you can't reach all the chests yet, so if there's a key in that chest, it could keep you from completing the dungeon. Orange (in the overworld) indicates multiple items in that area. You can get some of the items, but not all of them. Right-clicking the location will only clear the items available to you. (For example, Sahasrala's hut starts out as orange until you get the green pendant. If you right click the location, only the 3 items in the back will be cleared. The icon will disappear until you collect the pendant.) Orange (in a dungeon) means the dungeon is open to you and you can get some of the chests, but the dungeon itself can't be completed yet. Red (only visible if you press F11) means none of the items in that area are currently obtainable. Gray (only visible if you press F11) is a location that you've already cleared. If you've cleared it accidentally, you can press F11 to show the location, pin that location and right click the chest icon to unclear it. (edited)
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fylion 2018-04-19 13:37
^very good. Can we get that pinned?
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EmoSaru 2018-04-19 13:37
I just added a similar thing to #faq but I need to copy over this detail because it's well written (edited)
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Deleted User 2018-04-19 13:40
Yeah, awesome/detailed answer 😁
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Thank you very much!
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Kelsey 2018-04-21 15:53
yo so
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my broadcast view background was previously one color (black) and i was able to do a color key on obs
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but now it has a gradient?
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anyone else having this problem?
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@EmoSaru sorry for ping feenHide
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also just noticed my custom changes are all gone too
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weird
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JRJathome 2018-04-21 16:02
Did the override file get deleted somehow?
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That's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head.
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Kelsey 2018-04-21 16:03
iiiii am not sure
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EmoSaru 2018-04-21 16:24
uhhhh
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I certainly did not do anything
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because I literally haven't touched the tracker release in weeks
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did you install an update?
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Or anything else?
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The broadcast view also literally does not support gradient backgrouns
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(nothing in the tracker does)
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@Kelsey Please post a screenshot
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JRJathome 2018-04-21 16:38
I could potentially see the item dropshadows being considered a 'gradient' of sorts. That combined with her custom changes having disappeared leads me to believe the override file has been deleted or overwritten.
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EmoSaru 2018-04-21 16:38
I talked with her on Twitch. I'll get her to send stuff after her stream. 😃
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Konni 2018-04-22 16:41
How do you even change the color of the broadcast window backgroudn?
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JRJathome 2018-04-22 16:51
Export an override for the layout. This will create a .json file in Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides/pack name. Inside the broadcast_layout.json is a field titled "background" followed by a bunch of numbers. Those numbers are the hexadecimal RBG value for the background color. By default, they're at #212121, but you can change them to any number between 000000 and FFFFFF.
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Konni 2018-04-22 16:55
Ty!
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kb_z 2018-04-23 11:36
is it possible to set custom global keybinds/hotkeys to mark items on the go? (edited)
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and... is there a ctrl-z (undo) command?
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to unmark the latest marked thing
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Merc249 2018-04-23 11:38
No and no.
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Atleast, not as far as I am aware on the first question, anyway
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fylion 2018-04-23 11:38
For the first one, writing an autohotkey script for yourself is probably your best bet.
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JRJathome 2018-04-23 11:39
Emo said in #faq that an undo button is on her list, but is low priority. In the meantime, you can press F11 to show cleared locations, then pin the location and right click the chest to undo it.
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fylion 2018-04-23 11:39
^
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kb_z 2018-04-23 11:39
thanks
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 11:50
Key binds for items is something I’d eventually like to do, but is also very low priority. It’s actually higher than Undo though, if that gives you a sense of just how low priority undo is for me.
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jaysee 2018-04-23 13:37
Is custom items to replace chests on pins/multiple item counters with different for pins low priority? sombreroguy
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 14:39
custom chest icons are coming
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not sure what the last part of that question is referring to, but if you clarify a bit I can answer 😃
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jaysee 2018-04-23 14:51
I'm going to make ffiv rando pack. Each location can have a number of key items, trapped chests, and untrapped chests. So for pins, I'd like to have key icons, chest with nothing icons, and chests with monsters icons sombreroguy
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 14:56
So, in EmoTracker parlance, you want locations with multiple sections, with individual chest icons for each section's items (edited)
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jaysee 2018-04-23 14:59
sombreroguy
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 14:59
Did I get it right?
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If so, that will happen
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fylion 2018-04-23 15:00
Yo You've mentioned in the past that you wanted to add some ES support
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Any idea what that would look like?
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jaysee 2018-04-23 15:00
Like hell
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:p
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fylion 2018-04-23 15:00
well obv
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 15:00
Lots of ideas, all of them questionable until I try them
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But fundamentally
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Any ES support I add will be specifically designed to support actually bridging the logic through entrances once connected
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so it's a big deal
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jaysee 2018-04-23 15:02
Maybe location access "items"?
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fylion 2018-04-23 15:03
If you want to talk the ideas out, throw them at me.
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 15:43
You could hack it together a variety of ways right now
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But they'd all be pretty bad usability-wise
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Given that - currently - notepad is the best ES tracker, I want to make sure that anything I do there is going to be a substantial value add
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Largely from a UX perspective - it needs to be faster and less disruptive to operate while playing
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Spleebie 2018-04-23 15:44
click and drag from one location to another to designate "entering here goes here," and add icons for every entrance maybe?
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 15:44
There are a lot of resolution/screen real-estate issues there
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Spleebie 2018-04-23 15:44
shift/alt/ctrl-clicking just seems like a bad idea 'cause it takes two hands
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 15:45
Keep in mind that people already complain about the size of the tracker
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Realistically, EmoTracker "works" on a single screen setup, but it is far more at home on a second screen
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Anything to do with ES is going to cement/magnify that even further, because you have to be able to disambiguate entrances
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And they're tightly packed
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And that's for symmetric entrance shuffle
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Spleebie 2018-04-23 15:45
hmm, don't have a screenshot handy but I play with the maps pretty large
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 15:46
When you decouple entrances/exits, the problem gets REALLY hairy
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Cross-worlds also substantially impacts this
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So yeah
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Spleebie 2018-04-23 15:46
yeah, it's a sticky problem for sure
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 15:46
It requires a lot of thought to build something where a tracking operation costs less than typing in notepad
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People already learn to type fast
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I'll be asking them to learn to do something else quickly
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And accurately
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So that requires a lot of care
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Spleebie 2018-04-23 15:48
I used this one when I tried ES once, it maybe help with some ideas on what to do / not to: http://alttp.orphis.net/
Orphis's door randomizer tracker!
Door randomizer tracker
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uses right-clicks to connect stuff, and you have to switch to entrance mode in the options first
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fylion 2018-04-23 15:49
^I had a 5-2 record in the mystery tournament using that thing
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It doesn't suck, but it's possible to do better
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Anyways, emo, I agree 100% on all of that. Hard problem.
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Interesting problem 😃
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Spleebie 2018-04-23 15:50
but I also found an actual notebook handy
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 15:50
Yeah. One thing I'd point out - I consider Crossproduct a friend. I wouldn't have built EmoTracker the way I did if I didn't think I had something to offer that it didn't.
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So until I feel like I have a plan that's better than what somebody else has built and put out there, I'd rather just raise up other people's tools. (edited)
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JRJathome 2018-04-23 15:55
I'd argue that making something on par with Crossproduct's would at least be helpful in making tracker packs for other games that use entrance shuffle. Z1 and Z4 for example.
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! Jereth_Khan ! 2018-04-23 16:48
Want to touch on something @fylion mentioned eariler about using autohotkey to make scripts. If you know how to script it properly you can easily do this, but I ran into a problem doing this with EmoTracker to an extent. If you are holding down Shift, Ctrl, or Alt and you left click an icon, everything works fine. Right click does not. If I have the hotkey "Shift+B" to right click the bow for Silver Arrows, since I'm holding down shift to activate it, EmoTracker registers the Right click as Shift+RightClick and treats it as an input seperate from a regular RightClick and doesn't highlight the Silver Arrows. If, at some point, you could make a small addition to the code to make Shift, Ctrl, and/or Alt + RightClick to all point to the same toggle functions, that would be super duper awesome and allows for some spiffy external hotkey templates to be made for people.
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EmoSaru 2018-04-23 17:27
I can look into that - some of that default behavior is actually being handled at the UI framework level (i.e. not me), but I should be able to override it.
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! Jereth_Khan ! 2018-04-23 17:41
I figured that was a case. Thanks for probably looking into it 😃
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Tomothy 2018-04-24 06:59
You can also do this in the autohotkey script (which is where I'd argue that should be handled). Add a line in your script with this: +RButton:: Send, {RButton}
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Jbird6143 2018-04-24 11:04
RIP just did the dwarven side quest and they gave me the flute but it never went into my inventory
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JRJathome 2018-04-24 11:13
Do you have the shovel? The flute is hidden behind the shovel icon. Press Y to switch between the two.
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GillyMoMo 2018-04-24 11:19
I spent 30 mins in a seed to figure that out
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Then I was like ohhhhhh
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By the way, I am Gillymomo I know a vast majority of you lurking around in the community. It's time I introduced myself to you all.
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jankyrig 2018-04-24 22:43
Am I missing something or is there not a way to toggle between pendant and crystal indicators for the dungeons?
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BreathlessSleep 2018-04-24 22:43
Right click!
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jankyrig 2018-04-24 22:44
Damn thought I gave that a try but in my tired state maybe not. Thanks
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Syn 2018-04-28 02:46
huh.. I have a weird problem.. I downloaded EmoTracker on my laptop a few days ago, and I could install packages there, but on my main computer.. no chance.. the download bar goes up, but then it just goes back to available -.-
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EmoSaru 2018-04-28 10:26
I have seen this issue in the past. Make sure you’ve tried restarting the tracker - the packs may actually be installed. The other possibility is that you have a virus scanner installed that is interfering.
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Syn 2018-04-28 10:50
@EmoSaru thanks for the heads up.. it was Bitdefender that was blocking it 😃 cheers for the help 😄
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Sebas 2018-04-29 19:06
hey, if I accidentally right-click a wrong location on the map, how do I undo it?
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JRJathome 2018-04-29 19:11
Press F11 to show all locations. Then pin the location again and right click the chest.
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Sebas 2018-04-29 19:18
okay, thank you
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estragon0 2018-04-29 23:31
@EmoSaru i've been meaning to ask this for a while and one of your recent responses reminded me: is pinning the only intended way to access subsections of a location or mark uncollected seen items? because i can also do it by clicking and holding a location until the subsections appear as a tooltip, then mousing over the tooltip and selecting from there, and i find that approach much more convenient than pinning and would hate to think that it might be an unintended feature that future updates could remove
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EmoSaru 2018-04-30 00:44
that is 100% intended
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and both will continue to be supported
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Sebas 2018-04-30 07:26
does the chest count for dungeons take chests with map/compass/keys into account?
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(in non-keysanity)
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Tomothy 2018-04-30 07:26
it's only the items that can drop
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ForeverInGame 2018-04-30 07:27
Outside of key-sanity, keys maps and compasses do not count toward the chest count
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Sebas 2018-04-30 07:27
ah
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Tomothy 2018-04-30 07:28
so EP has 6 locations, three of which can have an item. one will be big key, one will be map, one will be compass. The tracker has 3 item locations (or chests shown in the pin/popup)
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Sebas 2018-04-30 07:28
how many keys/map/compass does the EP have?
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great
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it's the only dungeon I did without map
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so now I'm checking that I didn't forget any chests
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also, do items that don't drop out of chests count as keys?
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not keys, items
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Tomothy 2018-04-30 07:35
can you give an example?
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Sebas 2018-04-30 07:35
in the rightmost dark room on the EP
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there is a room with many pots and skeletons
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Tomothy 2018-04-30 07:35
the key there doesn't count as an item/key drop
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because it is a guaranteed key
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Sebas 2018-04-30 07:35
so, there are still 6 chests total in the palace?
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ForeverInGame 2018-04-30 07:35
If an enemy or pot drops a key, it is not part of the dungeon's item list, so yes, 6 chests
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Sebas 2018-04-30 07:36
I can't seem to locate the 6th chest in EP
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Jbird6143 2018-04-30 07:36
The boss drop is considered cheat drop I do believe
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Chest
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Sebas 2018-04-30 07:36
ah, it is?
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Tomothy 2018-04-30 07:37
yes
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Sebas 2018-04-30 07:37
I don't even remember what the boss dropped for me
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Tomothy 2018-04-30 07:37
cannonball bridge, right side after entrance, vanilla compass (after skull room), big key chest, big chest, armos knights
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Sebas 2018-05-01 13:17
how is the Hookshot Cave split up?
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there is 1 "bonkable" chest, and 3 in the back
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but, all I saw where 4 chests spread around the cave, and a single bombable wall
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the bombable wall having that huge maze
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EmoSaru 2018-05-01 13:21
I'm confused by your question
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There is only one chest, in the front, which is accessible via boots (without hovering)
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the rest require hookshot
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the bombable wall leads to the death mountain floating island
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Sebas 2018-05-01 13:22
ah, that's why
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sorry, I didn't know about the boots method
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EmoSaru 2018-05-01 13:23
Just as a heads up - as it seems like you're still learning the game, you might find additional resources and help on the game in general in the main rando discord.
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Sebas 2018-05-01 13:23
allright, I'll go there next time
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EmoSaru 2018-05-01 13:23
it's fine to ask here about things, but there are resource documents/links/etc. there that might help answer your questions more completely and quickly
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-01 13:25
you say that, but you wee pretty quick 😮
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EmoSaru 2018-05-01 13:25
yeah, but I'm not always home from work sick 😐
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-01 13:26
rip hopefully not deathly sick D:
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EmoSaru 2018-05-01 13:27
not deathly, but I got IV antibiotics today, so kinda crappy 😦
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-01 13:28
just failed my deathless run on final boss haha best/worst seed of my life
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got all the items i needed, but didnt get any armor, and master sword i got on the last crystal
13:29
hopefully you feel better :L
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Joey Jojo Jr. 2018-05-03 11:35
Jesus emo you move fast
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EmoSaru 2018-05-03 11:35
??
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Joey Jojo Jr. 2018-05-03 11:37
That super Metroid update
11:37
Incredible that you got that all set so quickly
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EmoSaru 2018-05-03 11:38
@Fouton (PugHUD) built the pack. EmoTracker is designed to enable precisely this - it's (relatively) very easy to create new packs for new games. 😃
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Joey Jojo Jr. 2018-05-03 11:41
Well thank you @Fouton (PugHUD) as well. You guys are incredible
11:41
The tracker is by far the best one I've ever used for runs
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-05-03 11:43
Yeah super easy to build packs with emotracker, had it made in 2 hours and most of it was trying to figure out what I did wrong with my { [ ] } nonsense
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EmoSaru 2018-05-03 11:47
...and then it took me 20 minutes to fix all his mistakes because he never tests with zip file packages. 😉
11:47
Silly fouton
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-05-03 11:49
I dunt play on zipped packages
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Espeon 2018-05-03 12:23
omg yes a sm/alttp tracker
12:23
i really needed this ty
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AmatsuDF 2018-05-03 16:52
what is this black magic that combines SM and LTTP.
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Deleted User 2018-05-03 16:53
Right? Never heard of it now but damn am I enticed
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AmatsuDF 2018-05-03 16:54
I'm curious and I don't even run SM.
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Deleted User 2018-05-03 17:01
Im curious and i dont play either......yet.....
17:01
Too addicted to the speedrun alttp streams right now lol
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Zurai 2018-05-03 17:20
whats that ALTTP/SM cross thingy?
17:20
Did I miss something cool?
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Deleted User 2018-05-03 17:36
Check in announcements
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Zurai 2018-05-03 17:37
yea, thats how I stumbled over it
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just watching andys VOD
17:37
thats pretty funny
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AmatsuDF 2018-05-03 17:49
Granted I suspect it's not officially released yet to actually play it.
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Deleted User 2018-05-03 17:53
Other than the github, I'm not finding much more on it
17:54
Andy has a 3hr45min vid on yt
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Ninban 2018-05-03 18:11
@total is the one doing it, he's posted about it a few times on the rando discord
18:11
other than there, it seems he gives out seed on the SM rando discord
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AmatsuDF 2018-05-03 18:42
But a seed in itself would be useless without the randomizer...given that it somehow manages to effectively glue two games together, I'm very curious how it functions.
18:44
(and a pretty good gluing together if Andy's videos are any indication)
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Kirito 2018-05-03 23:08
@EmoSaru is it possible to increase the size of the tracker i can't seem to do it and thx for the hard work to make this tracker for us
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EmoSaru 2018-05-03 23:11
Look in #customization-support
23:11
It's been discussed a few times (edited)
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Kirito 2018-05-03 23:12
ah didin't knw that just got in to this channel yesterday
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EmoSaru 2018-05-03 23:12
no worries, just pointing you there because your answer is already in there. 😃
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Kirito 2018-05-03 23:13
i was surprise when i found out that FFX got a rando did you knw about that?
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Zurai 2018-05-04 03:30
oh?
03:30
what is it randomizing?
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scatter 2018-05-04 04:13
@AmatsuDF the randomizer community frequently uses "seed" to refer to a game, not just the seed itself. total has been posting actual games in the sm discord, not just numbers
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AmatsuDF 2018-05-04 08:53
Sometimes I forget that.
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Espeon 2018-05-04 13:40
is it okay if i put the discord invite to here on a public document? it's a resource doc for the combo sm + alttp rando
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EmoSaru 2018-05-04 13:50
Yep - please use this permanent one: https://discord.gg/aPHDBZk
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kb_z 2018-05-06 02:42
is there any way to make the 5/6 crystals red in the tracker?
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JRJathome 2018-05-06 10:45
Yep. It involves putting custom images in /Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides/[pack name]/images
10:46
I've got red crystal images already. I can zip them up for you real quick.
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red_crystals.zip
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kb_z 2018-05-06 11:26
thanks!
11:28
👍
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KevinCathcart 2018-05-07 20:19
shortest release and recall cycle I've ever seen.... 😄
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JRJathome 2018-05-07 20:20
Oh good. I'm not the only one confused by the notification on my phone.
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EmoSaru 2018-05-07 20:30
One sec 😃
20:30
Discord editor sucks 😃
20:31
There ya go!
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-05-07 20:31
👀
20:31
😉
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EmoSaru 2018-05-07 20:31
Your stuff is coming in the next update Fouton
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-05-07 20:32
I know ❤
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Kirito 2018-05-07 21:00
where do i find the lttp/metroid xover game?
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jaysee 2018-05-07 21:04
SM server
21:05
I don't have an invite handy right now
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Kirito 2018-05-07 21:05
ok
21:05
thx for the info
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jaysee 2018-05-07 21:05
it might be on their speedrun.com page
21:06
if not, I'll have to remember to find one for you tomorrow
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Deleted User 2018-05-07 21:06
https://discord.gg/rT2fWZt
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Kirito 2018-05-07 21:06
thx
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johncarls 2018-05-09 22:57
im not sure mine updated to magenta
22:58
when the map starts what should i be able to see that is sequence breakable? hobo?
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 00:23
yep, hobo, hyrule castle (due to lamp)
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johncarls 2018-05-10 04:40
mine didnt update
04:40
did anyone else figure this out? mine are still yellow and green
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johncarls 2018-05-10 04:49
i put { "accessibility_sequencebreak": "#ff00ff" }
04:49
that file in the overrides but no luck
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JRJathome 2018-05-10 08:36
The post in #announcements says to put it in documents/emotracker. Not your overrides folder.
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 10:48
Hey guys!
10:48
Not sure if this is the right place, but...
10:49
On the treasure game in DW, do you get 1 or 2 items?
10:49
I thought it was only 1... am I missing something here?
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Myrnae 2018-05-10 10:50
You have to open 2 chests but only get 1 actual item that can be progressive (if that makes sense)
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 10:50
Ok
10:50
So the tracker should say 1 item only, no?
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Myrnae 2018-05-10 10:50
Yea it should only say 1 i would think
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 10:50
It says 2
10:50
lol
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Myrnae 2018-05-10 10:51
Maybe to let you know you have to open 2 chests to get the 1?
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 10:51
I dunno
10:51
I thought it always said the amount of itens possible... not the amount of chests
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Myrnae 2018-05-10 10:52
I thought so too, may have just been a mistake 😃
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 10:52
Well, alright
10:53
It got me confused for a little while there hahaha
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Myrnae 2018-05-10 10:53
Lol I can see why!
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 11:21
lmao
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how have I never noticed this before? Oh, I know - because I just do the treasure game and right click the damn thing. (edited)
11:21
It's a typo
11:21
I'll get it fixed
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 11:22
Awesome haha
11:22
I was checking a bunch of guides lol (edited)
11:23
To make sure it really was only one item lol
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 11:23
it's only 1, yeah
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 11:31
Errm, another minor thing lol
11:31
I don't have Fire Rod
11:32
Yet, the chests on Skull Woods are colored white
11:32
Dungeon is orange, Mothula is red, chests are white
11:32
Shouldn't chests be yellow?
11:32
Or orange?
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 11:53
you can potentially get all the items without entering the back
11:53
that's why it's white (edited)
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 11:53
Yes, but it is white right now
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 11:54
sorry, that was a typo
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 11:54
Oh
11:54
lol
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 11:54
it's a judgement call, but it's as designed
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 11:54
Hummm
11:54
Gotcha
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 11:54
You'll notice the same thing in for example eastern
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with the lamp
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where so long as your have the lamp, the chests are marked in white
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even though it's possible that the 3rd item is on armos (edited)
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 11:55
Understood
11:56
I see what you mean
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 11:59
Ultimately, it's a tradeoff between accuracy and making the pack more difficult/unintuitive to use in the vast majority of cases
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 11:59
Yeah
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 11:59
I could fix it by modelling CHESTS, instead of treasures
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but that would make the locations very dense
11:59
with lots of sections
11:59
and a pain to use
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 12:00
I mean, you have to assume the boss could ultimately have an item anyways
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 12:00
Exactly
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 12:01
At first, I thought it was weird that i was tracking the items, and not chests
12:01
But now that I got used to it
12:01
I think it is much better 😃
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 12:02
I experimented with it at one point, in a ludicrously comprehensive keysanity pack
12:02
it was a giant PITA to use
12:02
relatively speaking
12:02
although I'll admit that it's a potentially good learning tool
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 12:02
I imagine haha
12:04
It also took me a little while to understand that map/compass/big key are NOT items lol
12:05
Maybe put that on the FAQ? Dunno.
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 12:05
It's a very short-term problem for people, largely those who are running their first randomizer seed.
12:06
I don't want to be in the business of being a support site for Z3R 😃
12:06
There's already a whole discord for questions about the game
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 12:06
True that 😃
12:11
Since we are in a roll here... lol
12:11
Lemme ask
12:11
Is there a way to save the medallions for TR and MM? (edited)
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 12:23
save?
12:23
there is no save
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 12:23
Like
12:23
You saw it
12:23
But you don't have the medallion yet
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 12:24
right click on the medallion, but also there's a search box in the top right 😃
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Deleted User 2018-05-10 12:24
AHHH
12:24
Why didnt I think of that
12:24
lol
12:24
Thanks!
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EmoSaru 2018-05-10 12:26
np
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johncarls 2018-05-10 16:37
@JRJathome thanks i didnt notice that
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Thurvin 2018-05-11 12:35
Is there a way to use this tracker and map while running the game in emulator all on the same screen? If I use window mode the tracker and map are too small and if I go full screen I have to tab back and forth
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EmoSaru 2018-05-11 12:37
i am confused by your question - I can say that the tracker (at least my packs) tends to layout about as intelligently as it can based on how you've resized the window. Beyond that, this is really a function of your setup. I know there are single-monitor users who play on emulator and use the tracker. (edited)
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Thurvin 2018-05-11 12:39
Oh hey Emo, great bit race the other day and I am still learning the tracker. Basically I was wondering if there was a way to run the emulator through the tracker so you can see the map, tracker and game all in one screen.
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EmoSaru 2018-05-11 12:39
Nope, definitely not possible.
12:40
Best you can do is try to rearrange the windows into roughly that configuration
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Thurvin 2018-05-11 12:41
Ok, thanks
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-11 12:41
you could set the tracker or emulator as "always on top", but i just do what emo said
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Thurvin 2018-05-11 12:42
I'll try sizing the emulator window to fit in the pinned location box when it is full screen and see how that works
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EmoSaru 2018-05-11 12:43
Why would you do that, when pinned locations are useful?
12:43
In general, for emulator users, I would recommend a portrait (vertical) layout for the tracker, with the emulator occupying the rest of the screen (edited)
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Thurvin 2018-05-11 12:44
Didn't see the portrait layout option. But like I said still learning the tracker because I have been using crossproducts
12:46
While I love his tracker, yours seems to have more of the things I like
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EmoSaru 2018-05-11 12:46
Yeah, like I said... Play with resizing the window. My map packs automatically switch to more effective layouts in portrait and landscape aspect ratios (edited)
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Thurvin 2018-05-11 12:47
Thanks for the help
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TheWestEver 2018-05-12 21:58
is there a way to save in the launcher? so i can continue my play through at a different time
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-12 21:58
i just print screen it :L
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TheWestEver 2018-05-12 21:58
fair nuff
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-12 21:59
but i generally dont start it unless i can finish it 😛
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TheWestEver 2018-05-12 22:00
this is my first time actually playing randomizer after finding out it exists, misjudged my ability to complete it in one sitting 😛
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-12 22:01
😮 ooh my bad haha, my first time took alot longer than expected also haha
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Rutilus 2018-05-12 22:01
It can take a bit of doing for those of us out of practice.
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TheWestEver 2018-05-12 22:02
i can see that after playing for a long time XD
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-12 22:03
are you at least getting a good seed? some of them are pretty brutal D:
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TheWestEver 2018-05-12 22:03
i put the difficulty on easy 😃
22:03
so im pretty sure it good
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Rutilus 2018-05-12 22:04
Bow in Palace of Darkness, last place I could have checked for anything, glitches included, and I'm lacking most of the things to beat it.
22:04
No mirror, hammer, didn't have the bow...
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-12 22:04
last seed i tried a deathless, and i died on blind cause no sword 😛
22:05
not the easiest with the hammer haha
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TheWestEver 2018-05-12 22:06
anyways so if im missing a chest at a dungeon, and there is a locked door that i cant get into. I already beat the dungeon boss, so am i good?
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-12 22:06
ye, key is in the chest
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Rutilus 2018-05-12 22:06
There's item counts for each dungeon, could be a self-lockedkey
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TheWestEver 2018-05-12 22:06
alright 👍
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Rutilus 2018-05-12 22:06
Probably is.
22:07
Imagine, self-locked boss key in Skull Woods or Swamp Palace
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-12 22:07
i don't have too 😛 can't happen
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Rutilus 2018-05-12 22:08
Supposedly it can in those, because it isnt needed for boss.
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-12 22:08
oh yeah, you can in fact 😮
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Rutilus 2018-05-12 22:09
So the same logic that allows keys to self-lock applies
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-12 22:09
other than Misty Mire and Turtle Rock. i got pretty solid routing in dungeons
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Braxous_Muse 2018-05-14 13:11
@here is there a !hud list for all the !hud commands that anyone could share. (edited)
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JRJathome 2018-05-14 13:20
Look inside the items.json for the pack you're using. You'll see that each item has a "codes" field. That's what you'd enter for that item. Let's take this for example:
// Progressive Gloves { "name": "Gloves", "type": "progressive", "stages": [ { "img": "images/0019.png", "codes": "gloves,lift1" }, { "img": "images/0043.png", "codes": "mitts,lift2" } ] },
You can see that power gloves can be activated with !hud gloves or !hud lift1. Similarly, you can activate the titan's mitts with !hud mitts or !hud lift2. Hope that helps. (edited)
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any 2018-05-14 15:36
so, if I add e.g. "d" to the bow-codes-field, that would work? - tested it, works perfectly fine. thanks for that (edited)
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EmoSaru 2018-05-14 15:39
be advised - when you override a file, you COMPLETELY override it, so it's on you to watch for pack updates and reapply your changes to the new version.
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-05-17 10:57
👀 ❤
10:58
Im glad EmoTrackers getting more attention from combo rando
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PirateNipple 2018-05-17 13:04
a heart piece from the dark world village digging game is the prize there normally, right?
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JRJathome 2018-05-17 13:05
yeah
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PirateNipple 2018-05-17 13:28
in the randomizer, in dungeons, do big key + map + compass count as chests
13:28
like this tracker says 4 chests, is that map + big key + compass + 1 item? or + 4 items
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JRJathome 2018-05-17 13:30
The open mode pack doesn't count map, compass or keys. The keysanity mode pack does since those can appear outside dungeons as well.
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PirateNipple 2018-05-17 13:32
hmm OK. I'm on standard
13:33
so i guess that means I can still reference it
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JRJathome 2018-05-17 13:33
So Eastern Palace in the open mode pack shows 3 treasures. Eastern Palace in the keysanity pack shows 5 chests, plus the boss treasure
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PirateNipple 2018-05-17 13:33
gotcha OK
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JRJathome 2018-05-17 13:33
Yeah, Standard and Open use the same pack
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PirateNipple 2018-05-17 13:33
thank you
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PirateNipple 2018-05-18 05:55
in the spoiler file what's the blue/red tunic upgrade called? "blue", "red", "tunic", "clothes", "progressive" can't ctrl-F any of those...
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Wohki 2018-05-18 05:56
Mail, or upgrade maybe?
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PirateNipple 2018-05-18 05:56
"armor"
05:56
!!
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Wohki 2018-05-18 05:56
!!
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chenzikoden 2018-05-18 05:56
!?!
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Wohki 2018-05-18 05:56
I always spell it armour cause Canada and it never finds it
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Deleted User 2018-05-18 10:00
Hi all, just trying out the tracker for the first time, is there a way to make the window bigger?
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Gilgatex 2018-05-18 10:23
drag it from the bottom right corner
10:24
unless you're talking about items then you'd have to edit the package
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EmoSaru 2018-05-18 10:24
You can do it with a tracker layout override
10:24
There are examples that have been discussed recently
10:25
#customization-support
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Ritzblues 2018-05-18 10:25
Is there an icon for grapple beam?
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EmoSaru 2018-05-18 10:25
icons are distributed with packs
10:25
so it's a function of the pack you're using
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Deleted User 2018-05-18 10:30
Thanksvery much guys. Currently setting up an override, dragging from the corner doesn't seem to work. Sorry for the super basic question
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EmoSaru 2018-05-18 10:31
are you using an items-only pack?
10:31
they have fixed size
10:31
you have to override the layout to add a scale, and then adjust the fixed size
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Deleted User 2018-05-18 10:31
Well that would be it then, yes
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EmoSaru 2018-05-18 10:31
the details are in #customization-support
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Deleted User 2018-05-18 10:31
Found it, thanks
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Deleted User 2018-05-18 10:46
Got it perfect. Couldn't drag the window corner because the package had "allow_resize": set to false. Swapped it to true, changed the window size, and bumped up the scale and now it's perfect. thanks for the help, sorry to bother you
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marathonx 2018-05-20 11:50
Is there a browser version of this tracker similar to CrossProduct's? Or is it something that I need to install?
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EmoSaru 2018-05-20 11:50
No. It’s an installable Windows application.
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marathonx 2018-05-20 11:50
Ok, thanks!
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Yoco 2018-05-20 17:02
hello! Im wondering, how do I use chathud with this?
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Unknownavailability 2018-05-20 17:23
@Yoco if you go to announcements channel the last post will instruct how to activate it and then in FAQ it will let you know the rest
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Yoco 2018-05-20 17:23
thanks ❤
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Unknownavailability 2018-05-20 17:23
Enjoy 😃
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Zeiram666 2018-05-21 11:43
I might just be super blind, but how do I make emotracker show the map?
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chenzikoden 2018-05-21 11:43
Download the package
11:44
Then there's a setting that says "Enable Map"
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Zeiram666 2018-05-21 11:44
Yeah, I click that and nothing happens
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chenzikoden 2018-05-21 11:45
I suppose it would depend on which package you're trying to use
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Zeiram666 2018-05-21 11:46
Guh, figured it out
11:46
Thank you
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chenzikoden 2018-05-21 11:46
What was the problem?
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Zeiram666 2018-05-21 11:47
I was on an item only package
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chenzikoden 2018-05-21 11:47
lol
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Zeiram666 2018-05-21 11:47
The seed I'm using is standard though and the map tracker is for "open" is that an issue?
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chenzikoden 2018-05-21 11:47
There's no logical difference
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Zeiram666 2018-05-21 11:47
👌
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chenzikoden 2018-05-21 11:47
That's not true
11:48
Standard, you don't need the lamp for Sewers
11:48
but that's minor
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Zeiram666 2018-05-21 11:48
Gatcha! Thanks Chenzikoden
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Inven 2018-05-22 13:10
anyone know the hex for the charcoal background color on the broadcast view background, offhand?
13:13
(nvm, got it)
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jaysee 2018-05-22 16:33
#211 red is best color sombreroguy
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daman4567 2018-05-26 18:04
is there a v29 pack, or are there no significant changes to the hud with v29
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EmoSaru 2018-05-26 18:06
adding version numbers was a mistake - you can assume that pack is being updated to track version updates
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daman4567 2018-05-26 18:07
ok, sounds good
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ZombifieDoll 2018-05-27 21:03
Is there a way to check off one chest at a timeinstead of all at once?
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Zelly 2018-05-27 21:04
Dungeon chests check off one at a time, one for each left click
21:04
cave chests, not so much
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ZombifieDoll 2018-05-27 21:05
Oh okay, thanks
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SKNI 2018-05-27 21:11
If you go into the pack you can change the terms from "toggle" to "progressive". I think it's the locations.json file. I'm sure the experts here will correct me.
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EmoSaru 2018-05-27 21:11
You’re confusing a bunch of things
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SKNI 2018-05-27 21:11
But however, the way it is set up now is ideal for speed runs
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EmoSaru 2018-05-27 21:11
Chests are not tracked that way
21:12
Progressive, toggle, etc. are for item definitions
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SKNI 2018-05-27 21:12
I apologise. The more I read, the more I know I have to learn. Just testing my own knowledge so far.
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EmoSaru 2018-05-27 21:12
Chests are handled very differently
21:12
Not a problem, just correcting 😃
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SKNI 2018-05-27 21:13
As expected. Thanks very much.
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Expolol 2018-05-27 21:19
i can't get this to work, any help you can offer?
21:20
i have it downloaded but launching the packages is proving to be difficult
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EmoSaru 2018-05-27 21:20
How so? Do they appear to download, but then fail to load or show up as installed?
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Expolol 2018-05-27 21:20
the go the full bar but then nothing happens and i can only click install again.
21:21
so not quite sure what to do ther
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EmoSaru 2018-05-27 21:21
The most common cause of that is having a virus or malware scanner installed that is quarantining the files for some reason.
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Expolol 2018-05-27 21:21
yeah, something with windows did say something but i told it to install anyway.
21:21
i'll go look in those files, thank you!
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EmoSaru 2018-05-27 21:22
The installation process will trigger it, because it's an unsigned application, but yeah virus scanners can interfere with pack installation.
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a2yerold 2018-05-27 21:28
at lest for me the folder it puts the packages in is in documents so anti viruses are pretty protective about it you will have to unblock the folder in what ever anti virus you have (edited)
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EmoSaru 2018-05-27 21:28
Yeah, generally, Documents/EmoTracker is what you want to unblock
21:29
I would use application data, but given that people fairly often end up customizing things, app data is pretty painful
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ZombifieDoll 2018-05-27 21:35
To bad there isnt a way to mark off visible areas as ruppes
21:35
Like library shelf
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EmoSaru 2018-05-27 21:36
The assumption is that if there's a worthwhile item and it's accessible to you, you will get it.
21:36
Which is effectively 100% true for most runners.
21:36
If you're concerned about something you might need later, I recommend not clearing the location.
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ZombifieDoll 2018-05-27 21:37
That sounds good, I just thought it would be useful in a 100% run sense (edited)
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SKNI 2018-05-27 21:42
Unless you are Ryukahr, I'm pretty sure you'll remember it was just rupees collecting dust in the library. But yeah, that was annoying to me, too until I got used the logic behind it.
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-27 21:44
i always just mark it as something i already have, if its rupees
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ZombifieDoll 2018-05-27 21:45
I kinda just want the dot to go away till I get the requiered item for it like the one in the desert did without checking it as taken
21:46
I would do that but all I have is shield and a jar, playing SMALTTP with a map for each game
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Jewish Justice League 2018-05-27 21:47
SMALTTP sounds rediculous, i wish i had the time haha
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ZombifieDoll 2018-05-27 21:48
It doesnt seem that bad but I have ran SM random before so I think I'll do fine on the harder parts
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imagoth2004 2018-05-27 23:20
Still learning. Kinda stuck in trying to find a key. The one I'm looking for is in skull woods "pinball room" which one is that?
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SKNI 2018-05-27 23:23
Right most entrance, take room East then room South. It's in chest bottom of room. There's also a pit that will take you to that room. (edited)
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Ruble 2018-05-28 07:23
is there a way to change the background color of the tracker?
07:23
also hello 🙂
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N3BoySha 2018-05-28 07:24
you can always chromakey it in obs
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Ruble 2018-05-28 07:24
that's what i want to change the background color for
07:25
er for a color key
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N3BoySha 2018-05-28 07:25
I didn't try it tho, and I think there is no way to change default bg color
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Ruble 2018-05-28 07:40
got it, you need to edit the broadcast_layout.json that you can export
07:40
then it only affects broadcast mode, which is fine
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N3BoySha 2018-05-28 09:00
cool o/ glad that you figured it out p/ and thx for info
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GillyMoMo 2018-05-28 14:33
Hit a PB of 3:10:08ish today
😄 2
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GrandPOOBear 2018-06-01 09:58
ok how do i set up the chat tracker?
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chenzikoden 2018-06-01 10:00
I believe it's listed in #announcements
10:01
Whoops
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Unknownavailability 2018-06-01 10:07
Couple of spots for it actually #faq has the commands layout and some instructions as well.
10:07
But yes announcements has the setup information. Which is pretty easy to do.
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GrandPOOBear 2018-06-01 10:38
Got it:)
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Unknownavailability 2018-06-01 10:41
I just recently did this for myself. hmu if you have any issues gpb
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GrandPOOBear 2018-06-01 10:42
Thanks!
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Acktheboker 2018-06-01 18:18
Where would one find the name for all the items on tracker for !hud ?
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EmoSaru 2018-06-01 18:18
depends on the pack
18:19
but if you look at the items.json inside the pack zip file, you'll be able to see them
18:19
I know the smalttp pack has a patch I need to push soon that I THINK improves some of them to make them better
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EmoSaru 2018-06-01 20:04
I will make a note to add a thing that let's you dump them somewhere
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Shayy 2018-06-01 21:53
tghChamp
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Shayy 2018-06-02 03:06
Windows doesn't like progress, hmm what are the odds?
03:06
tghOnionHD
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EmoSaru 2018-06-02 03:08
Heh
03:08
Windows 10 likes progress just fine
03:08
Microsoft has done something horrendous here
03:08
And I'm not sure what it is, lol
03:09
Thanks @takeru for running all of my blind experiments since I don't have a Windows 7 machine handy
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Shayy 2018-06-02 03:12
I haven't had Windows 7 ever since it autoupgraded to 10 a couple of years back
03:13
I did run into an issue the other day re-validating my copy of windows on my new rig because apparently the original product key didn't work anymore... got the good ol' indian tech support to bail me out tho 😃
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takeru 2018-06-02 03:19
takeru2YuguWAH
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Xel 2018-06-02 07:16
Windows does like progress but I think it just assumed people still on Windows 7 would get mad by progress so they disabled it for those users
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MentAbel_Mushroom 2018-06-02 08:34
is anyone working on a map tracker as well?
08:34
for oot
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runtherandom 2018-06-02 08:48
If there is a tutorial on how to get it started up I would happily work on one.
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Ritzblues 2018-06-02 15:13
Is there map support for SMaLttP, either Hyrule or Zebes? Also, is there a way to reposition the maps and item tracker into a linear arrangement?
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EmoSaru 2018-06-02 16:19
There are a few people working on map-enabled packs for SMaLttP
16:20
You can do what you're looking for with a tracker layout override. If you're interested in doing it, check #customization-support
16:20
I know at least one person is working on a map -enabled pack for OoT rando as well
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Zephyrik 2018-06-02 19:28
hello, I'm new here. do I click the link in the welcome section or is there another place to download the package maanger?
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Nyarlathotep 2018-06-02 19:29
isn't the package manager part of the tracker itself?
19:29
that link is for the tracker
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Zephyrik 2018-06-02 19:31
ok, last time I tried to use the application, it froze up
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EmoSaru 2018-06-02 19:32
The package manager is part of the tracker itself.
19:33
Are you on Windows 7? If so, please make sure you are running the latest version of the tracker - it should prompt you to update it when you start it if you're not.
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Zephyrik 2018-06-02 19:33
I'm running Windows 10
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EmoSaru 2018-06-02 19:34
To the best of my knowledge, there are no known issues on Windows 10. The only pack installation issue we've seen there has been related to anti-virus programs being a little bit too protective of the Documents/EmoTracker folder
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Nyarlathotep 2018-06-02 20:40
Just a little question: In the ALTTP Open Mode Tracker is next to Agahnim a green circle with G O in it... What does that mean?
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JRJathome 2018-06-02 20:40
That's something you can click on to show you're in go mode. It doesn't have any other effect.
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Ruble 2018-06-03 06:51
is it just me or is the Z3SM tracker broken
06:51
with the latest updates
06:52
specifically SM bosses disappeared and now i cant track super/pb counts
06:55
oh i had to re-export the tracker layout
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Deleted User 2018-06-03 06:56
@Nyarlathotep basicly if you have all the items to complete the required dungeons and ganon you can press that to indicate that you can finish the game
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EmoSaru 2018-06-03 12:05
You exported overrides, and Fouton made some changes that broke you. Delete you overrides for that pack (under Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides) and hit f5 in the tracker
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zeroZshadow 2018-06-03 13:26
Thanks for the awesome tool. Just started running this and its amazing to help learn what goes where
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EmoSaru 2018-06-03 13:28
Thanks - Glad you’re enjoying it!
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bcruise 2018-06-04 14:59
Might be a question better directed at the actual tracker's creator, but can anyone tell me what the icon is for under Saria in the OOT tracker? I'm brain farting and can't figure it out
15:00
thanks in advance
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Eirian 2018-06-04 15:01
are you using emo tracker?
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bcruise 2018-06-04 15:01
yeah
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Eirian 2018-06-04 15:01
there's an icon of her face
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bcruise 2018-06-04 15:01
under saria, above door of tim
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Roy 2018-06-04 15:02
Suns Song
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Eirian 2018-06-04 15:02
oh, I misread
15:02
Yeah thats suns song
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bcruise 2018-06-04 15:02
oh okay, it doesn't have a musical note
15:02
got it now, thanks 😃
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Roy 2018-06-04 15:02
The musical notes are all the warp songs
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bcruise 2018-06-04 15:02
and the raincloud is obv song of storms then
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Roy 2018-06-04 15:02
That column is the other songs
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Eirian 2018-06-04 15:02
Roy types faster than me 😦
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Roy 2018-06-04 15:02
Saria's Song, Song of Time
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bcruise 2018-06-04 15:03
ah okay, makes sense. And I knew the check marks were for checking off the actual locations, but i wasn't sure about the purpose of the icons
15:03
all makes sense now, thanks a lot!
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Roy 2018-06-04 15:03
Yeah, exactly. np
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JRJathome 2018-06-04 15:27
Sorry about that. When I was looking for suitable icons, I found Sharp's (one of the poe brothers who composed the Sun's Song) symbol on the Zelda wiki. It's a sun, so it seemed close enough. I wonder if I should recolor it yellow though. 🤔
15:28
I think the main problem is it doesn't show up well on a black or dark grey background in its disabled state.
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Yoco 2018-06-04 17:03
how do I use streamer view again?
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JRJathome 2018-06-04 17:04
F2
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Yoco 2018-06-04 17:04
ty
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MassiveProfanity 2018-06-04 17:35
where is the download link? i cant find it lol
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Eirian 2018-06-04 17:36
It's in #welcome
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MassiveProfanity 2018-06-04 17:36
oh thanks
17:37
download link is broken for me. it says failed-no file
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Random Value 2018-06-04 18:55
is there is a way to save things and pick it up later or I have to fully refill the tracker each time?
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JRJathome 2018-06-04 18:58
#faq
18:58
Short answer, no. And no plans for it either.
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Random Value 2018-06-04 19:05
oops, didn't see there was more to that channel than the last message
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Whatsoup 2018-06-04 20:45
are the numbers at the bottom of the oot tracker supposed to represent chests remaining in the dungeon?
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dotzo 2018-06-04 20:49
# of chests which can contain a random item. (total chests in dungeon - map - compass - boss key - small keys).
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Whatsoup 2018-06-04 20:53
ah gotcha thanks
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Whatsoup 2018-06-04 21:03
what about right clicking on songs
21:03
what is that supposed to symbolize
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dotzo 2018-06-04 21:05
lit up = you have the song, check mark = you checked that song's vanilla location (edited)
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Whatsoup 2018-06-04 21:06
oh cool ok
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:06
Question for the LTTP tracker: Does the list of chests not include the Big Key chest? For example, Eastern Palace only has three chests in the square on the map, but there's three small chests and the big chest, so I'm not sure if I'm missing something.
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:06
They do not include dungeon items, typically
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:07
So it's more or less keeping track of big chests mentally?
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:07
There are three items, plus the big key, map, and compass, for a total of six locations
21:07
Only three of them can have random items
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:08
Ah ok. Is there a good way to see which chests are random? Or does that just come with practice?
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:08
All the chests are random, just three of them have items specific to the dungeon
21:09
There are four small chest, the Big Chest, and the Boss reward
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:10
I think I've got it, but just to make sure: since there are three chests in the tracker, I should only mark it down if it's not the map, compass, or big key
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:10
Correct, and that's for any dungeon
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:10
Awesome, thank you so much!
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:10
Small keys are included in the "do not mark" as well
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:11
Good to know
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:11
For dungeons that have them
21:11
But on the tracker itself, the number of chests equals the number of truly random items
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:13
That makes sense. I'll still definitely need to practice and get used to that
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:14
Also, keep in mind, there are two dungeons where the Big Key is not required to complete the dungeon(e.g., the Big Key can be inside the Big Key chest): Swamp Palace and Skull Woods
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:14
Ooh didn't know that
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:15
Neither dungeon have Big Key doors
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:15
I honestly never noticed that before, good lord I have a lot to learn
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:16
You'll get better with time. I've been playing for more than 6 months, and i'm still learning stuff
21:16
My very first rando seed was +4 hours (edited)
21:16
Now I'm averaging 2
21:17
and got back-to-back sub2hr times (both PBs) during the spring rando tournament that just happened
21:17
Just keep playing, you'll get better
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:18
I've watched a bunch of the tourney matches and it looked super fun
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:18
Also, learn the vanilla speedrun, those skills directly translate to rando strats
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marathonx 2018-06-05 21:18
Will do
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chenzikoden 2018-06-05 21:18
I've been a little neglectful in that regard, lol
21:18
I think I might do a few runs this month
21:19
If you haven't already, go sign up for the Rando discord, there's a TON of information there
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Deleted User 2018-06-06 06:11
has a map been released yet for ootr (edited)
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Hamsda 2018-06-06 06:41
i made https://hamsda.github.io/OoTRMapTracker/ootrando_overworldmap_hamsda.zip
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NYRambler 2018-06-06 13:07
^^ poggers
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Starsaver 2018-06-06 14:43
I know this is probably an exceedingly stupid question but, is it possible to save the map as it is in case I need to come back to it later?
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Taris Tai 2018-06-06 14:43
^
14:43
I was also wondering this
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Spleebie 2018-06-06 14:46
As mentioned in #faq, no. Only thing you can do is screenshot.
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ShadeVortex 2018-06-06 14:47
unfortunately yeah probably not gonna be a thing
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Taris Tai 2018-06-06 14:47
I'll read that over, missed that when I was downloading it at 3 am yesterday. many thanks :3
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Starsaver 2018-06-06 14:50
Eh. Fair enough
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Spleebie 2018-06-06 14:53
It's not too bad, I just pin all of the half-done locations and take a screenshot, then input it all again when I take it back up
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Taris Tai 2018-06-06 14:54
^
14:54
That's what I've been doing
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SKNI 2018-06-06 15:30
When I feel too lazy, I just minimize it and let it sit. I never turn my computer off anyways.
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NYRambler 2018-06-06 16:42
@Hamsda i downloaded that... but how do i get it to work?
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JRJathome 2018-06-06 17:10
Put the zip file in Documents/Emotracker/packs. No need to unzip it. Then restart Emotracker if it's open, and it should appear in the list of packs.
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Spleebie 2018-06-06 19:09
I have been developing an OoTR Map Tracker with the help of @Darkened5ky and we finally feel like it's ready for a beta release. It features mode settings for open forest / open door, setting the goal for spawning the rainbow bridge into Ganon's Castle, split maps for child/adult and full key/chest logic for all dungeons. Please give it a try and let one of us know via DM if you encounter any issues!
ootr_map_tracker_spleebie_darkened5ky.zip
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Spleebie 2018-06-06 19:58
I will also be showing it off on stream in a little bit
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Slippy 2018-06-06 21:21
So what is actually new with the new release if you're just a consumer of it?
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chenzikoden 2018-06-06 22:33
Certain pack publishers will be allowed to upload new packs without requiring a new tracker update
22:34
Meaning base users can receive packs and pack updates faster
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GrassHopperSan 2018-06-06 22:59
Is there a way to change the layout of items? Like make it 2x15 or 3x10 Rather than what it is now?
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JRJathome 2018-06-06 23:22
Yep. You can use EmoTracker's menu to export an override of the tracker layout json. gear menu>Packages>Export Override>Tracker Layout. This will create a json in Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides/[pack name]. You can open that with a text editor such as Notepad or Notepad++. Within it, you'll see the list of item codes that tells the tracker what items to have on the layout and in what order. You're free to add additional rows and otherwise move stuff around. If you mess up the code somehow, and cause EmoTracker to not load correctly, just delete the json and it'll go back to default.
23:24
Within that json, you can also change things such as icon size and background color.
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GrassHopperSan 2018-06-07 12:31
Awesome, thank you!
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Gungadi 2018-06-07 13:44
what does yellow mean on the map ?
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EmoSaru 2018-06-07 13:44
This is answered in the #faq
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Gungadi 2018-06-07 13:45
thank you 😄
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onora 2018-06-08 15:02
is there an easy way to change the background color/ easy way to set up chroma key with it?
15:05
actually nvm think i found a decent solution
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JRJathome 2018-06-08 15:33
You can export an override of the tracker layout or broadcast window using the instructions I gave above (I recommend the broadcast window so you're not stuck having to look at the ugly color you're chroma keying out.) In the json that gets created is a field that'll look like this: "background": "#212121",. That's the hexadecimal value for the background color, and can be changed to anything you wish. There's also a field for "dropshadow": true,. You'll need to change that to false so the shadows don't interfere with your chroma key.
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onora 2018-06-08 16:00
thats probably smarter than what i did which was just a Color Key on the stream window and messed with it enough that it worked out pretty well :p
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DJ_Phatzo 2018-06-08 16:01
Hello all
16:04
Just had a question. at the bottom of the tracker for OOT, the numbers next to locations (Deku, Jabu, Gannon, etc) what do they represent/mean?
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GFC_ 2018-06-08 16:05
I wondered this as well, I thought it was number of items in that location?
16:05
like big items, idk
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Xel 2018-06-08 16:05
Number of none dungeon related items in the dungeon
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DJ_Phatzo 2018-06-08 16:05
ie: all the small chests?
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Xel 2018-06-08 16:06
All the big chests
16:06
Minus compass big key map
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DJ_Phatzo 2018-06-08 16:06
I was just about to say xD
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GFC_ 2018-06-08 16:06
huh I was right
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Xel 2018-06-08 16:06
Basically
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GFC_ 2018-06-08 16:06
hellya
16:06
didn't know it was excluding the compass and map tho
16:06
I thought I was just shit at counting
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DJ_Phatzo 2018-06-08 16:07
wait, then why are there four in Deku? Shouldnt it just be one? slingshot ?
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Xel 2018-06-08 16:07
One chest has money one has sticks one has nuts
16:07
One has sling
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DJ_Phatzo 2018-06-08 16:08
my memory is shaky on Non-Map/key related chests in all the dungeons. so i'm just going to nod and agree
16:08
Nods and agrees
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JRJathome 2018-06-08 16:18
I got the numbers from this document. If there's an error with it, I'd love to hear about it. I've already had to fix one number. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xo9WtMazSjqUUx3ZqRaacU_-b_owT287risRH4e2vi4/edit#gid=0
OoT Randomiser Item Checklist
Items Ocarina of Time Location Checklist,( ch) for child only,( ad) for adult only, Gold Skulltulla Token location reference:, https:// strategywiki. org/ wiki/ The_Legend_ofZelda: Ocarina_of_Time/ Gold_Skulltulas Ocarina Songs, Overworld Chests, NPC Gifts, Miscellaneous...
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Where it says free items, that's referring to items that aren't keys, map or compass, so that's the number I used.
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Eirian 2018-06-08 16:39
That doesn't take into account if someone makes a seed without compass/map though
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JRJathome 2018-06-08 18:31
Yeah, but it's pretty easy to override the items json to add 2 to the count. Hmm. I suppose I could add 2 to the max numbers, but keep the starting values as they currently are.
18:33
That way those who decide to use that option can just right click each number twice to get the correct count. (edited)
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Caerulius 2018-06-09 13:09
hi, qq
13:09
is emotracker opensource
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moth 2018-06-09 13:10
No, it's not
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Caerulius 2018-06-09 13:10
dang
13:10
any plans to change that?
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 13:10
No
13:10
#faq
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Caerulius 2018-06-09 13:10
sorry, i looked through there and it didn't seem like the kind of question that'd be answered in it
13:11
are you open to collaboration
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 13:11
it depends on what you had in mind, but generally no, not at this time.
13:13
did you have a particular reason for asking?
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Doktor 2018-06-09 18:25
has anyone used the OoT tracker with map that can answer a quick question?
18:25
i just wanna make sure I'm not blind or something
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SKNI 2018-06-09 18:32
I'm testing Spleebie's but go ahead.
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Doktor 2018-06-09 18:39
well it's specifically about Hamsada's
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 18:45
I helped him include some sequence breaks so I should be able to help
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Doktor 2018-06-09 18:51
Am I blind and can't find a marker for doing Dampe in the graveyard as Adult Link>?
18:52
cause I see the shield grave, redead grave, and royal tomb, but I can't find anything that would remind me that dampe exists
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Slippy 2018-06-09 18:53
Yeah, that's 1 of the 3 things I've had issues with regarding that tracker.
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Doktor 2018-06-09 18:54
okay, as long as I'm not blind... wixHA
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Slippy 2018-06-09 18:54
1) No Dampe Race, 2) With closed forest, it assumes immediately that Kokiri sword can get you fairy ocarina, 3) I can't mess with things that are red even if I toggle f11
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 18:57
Is that not the case with the lttp packs as well? Might just be an emotracker thing
18:57
Number 3
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:00
Yeah with emotracker if it's red you can't mark it off
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:01
Also I see dampes race and with closed forest, i need sword, shield, and slingshot to get ocarina
19:01
Try updating your package
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:01
an option to enable freely manipulating chests whether you can access them or not is coming
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:01
Might help to hit F11 to see if the dampe race is in there but red
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:02
but it will never be the default
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:02
You can also just temporarily give yourself the item needed to access it
19:02
Mark it off, then turn the item back off
19:03
With closed forest you actually have to beat deku tree to get ocarina IIRC
19:03
I think that's how my pack is set up
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:03
Do you need both kokiri sword and shield to get into deku?
19:03
I know in vanilla you do
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:03
In closed forest you do
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:04
Yeah then Hamsda's pack is working fine
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:05
I actually didn't mark deku shield as required in mine, since mido tells you that's what you need
19:06
Which reminds me @EmoSaru it would be nice and noob-friendly if you could see which items are needed for a red location.
19:06
Not sure if that's been suggested / thought of before
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:06
It has. it's a little more complicated than that, as it needs to show you all the possible ways you could get access
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And location references make that even harder to visualize
19:07
It's on my list of things to think about though
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:07
Maybe just a icon you can click for another box that opens up
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So you can see it if you want to
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:08
Maybe, part of this gets into "is this a tracker or a teaching tool?"
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The answer is always both, but what in what measures
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:08
Yeah, even if it just showed the access rules strings it would help with dev
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But that is a valid point
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:08
"dev" features are a little bit easier to consider, because they can be janky
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but it's unreasonable to expect users to understand logic syntax
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:09
Ya for end users it would just be confusing
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:09
And skippable items for sequence breaking would be tricky to convey as well
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:09
yup
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it gets complicated 😃
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:10
Kind of interesting theres not an SM tracker yet
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I might have to do a few runs of that and make one
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:10
I think we're going to end up with an SMLTTP map tracker before it, lol
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:10
There's an smalttp one 😀
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:10
that said, if you built an SM rando map pack
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not a map pack, yet
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:10
Yeah not a map tracker tho
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:11
it would make it easier to make the combo pack
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:11
Reminds me, I need to try out the map tabs still
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:11
cuz you can just glue them together, lol
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FYI, tabs are not map specific
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any layouts can be embedded in a tabbed layout
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:11
Isnt it just an entrance randomizer combined with randomized items?
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:11
See if tabbing between adult/child maps would be better
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:11
Except both games
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:11
Oooo that is good to know
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Anyway, #pack-development lol
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:11
yup, lol
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:12
The map for sm might be so big it would only look good in fullscreen
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Whats the limit for map image size?
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:14
no limit, maps are in a viewbox, so they scale to whatever size their container is
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:15
I found a full resolution map of how it appears in game
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It is 14 MB and 17kx14k pixels
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:15
I would consider resizing it, lol, mostly just to save on download/hosting
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it's also gonna be slow to render
19:15
but it won't break
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:16
Might just use the basic room map rooKek
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:27
Hmm the logic code is a bit trickier to understand but its there
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It's definitely not impossible
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:28
like I said, it depends on how it's framed
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like, if it's a "dev" feature
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then I'm fine with adding it "raw"
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and if people figure it out, great
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:28
Err i mean for the sm rando
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Like for making a pack
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:28
ah
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:29
But yeah that raw text would depend on what the pack maker uses for their items
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:29
yep
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generally, people make those intelligible
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because those codes are also used for chathud
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:29
Also referencing other locations wouldnt work well raw
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:29
but there's no guarantee of that
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yeah, location references are a questino
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because you either add up all the item requirementss
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or you just display the reference
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the "raw" version would just display the reference
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:31
There's one issue with an sm map tracker
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There's 4 difficulties of logic and one pure random
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:32
I've had a design for a while for "switches" you could use for logic variations
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but my suggestion is to just do it with items
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:32
Yeah like Hamsda
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:32
yeah
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the only advantage to my full switches design is a slightly nicer UI integration
19:33
but items work exactly the same
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 19:33
I'd start with the tournament logic since thats whats in the alttp+sm rando
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 19:33
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Spleebie 2018-06-09 19:53
yeah I just did that with items too
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 20:05
Are location coordinates centered on the coordinates?
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 20:05
yes - make sure your map image is exported at 96dpi. That has been an issue for some people (edited)
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 20:21
Is it possible to do a custom increment for the consumable item type?
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Bongo Cat 2018-06-09 21:01
hi friends, i'm sure some of you recognize me...anyway, is there a way to like, have the OoT map larger? i don't make use of the Pinned Locations things and it's so hard for me to click on the green dots to clear them once i've checked them, and i'm running the tracker on fullscreen
21:02
this is usually why i don't use trackers of any kind, but this particular one is useful for me relearning everything about OoT
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 21:19
unfortunately, even if I told you how to customize the layout to get rid of the pinned locations, if you're running it fullscreen. the map wouldn't actually get any bigger
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SauceRelic 2018-06-09 21:23
I've got a basic item tracker ripped from the alttp+sm pack and pinned locations shows up but enabling map crashes (edited)
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Bongo Cat 2018-06-09 21:34
hm ok, i'll just make do, but will removing the Pinned Locations allow me to reposition the map? it would help a bit in that sense, so that some of it isn't covered by my emulator
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 21:34
not really
21:35
it would be centered in the remaining space
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Bongo Cat 2018-06-09 21:35
drat :/ oh well, beggars can't be choosers ^_^ thank you for the speedy reply
21:35
keep up the rgeat work ❤
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 21:35
no problem, sorry I couldn't be of more help!
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Bongo Cat 2018-06-09 21:36
A+, would buy from again 😛 lol
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at leat that's what my yelp review would be lol
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 21:36
lol
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Bongo Cat 2018-06-09 21:37
i know i the particular OoT pack isn't 100% yours, or maybe it is, i dunno how you devs work, but are you aware of any plans of adding a function to maybe zoom in the map?
21:37
wow wtf is with my keyboard today >_>
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 21:38
I don't dev most of the packs - community members do
21:38
but zooming in on maps would be something I would need to implement
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There are some issues I'd have to solve, but I'll consider it
21:38
It won't be coming terribly soon tho, and I can't give any timeline
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Bongo Cat 2018-06-09 21:39
no big deal, i'm sure by the time it comes around, i won't be needing a map anymore anyway lol, just thought it'd be sueful for others who rely a bit more heavily on resources like that
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*useful >_>
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EmoSaru 2018-06-09 21:40
for sure
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I'm more interested in its value for people on smaller screens
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Bongo Cat 2018-06-09 21:42
i'm sure for people who use 2 monitors (which is most people i almost think) it's not that much of an issue
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-09 21:43
L2get another monitor, obvs. ;)
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Bongo Cat 2018-06-09 21:44
trolling me on 1 server is good enough, mike >_>
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-09 21:45
I shall troll you on all of them.
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Hamsda 2018-06-09 21:56
yeah I had to make the locations a bit smaller to fit them in the crowded areas of oot, but I think having each check as a separate location more akin to the lttp packs is better to see "how much can i do here" at a glance
21:57
and yeah, missed dampe in the reorganization
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SKNI 2018-06-09 22:27
@Bongo Cat , look on the bright side. If you have trolls, you have fans.
22:30
And I think if you wait for the update, @Hamsda or @Spleebie after working on tabbing the maps so only one shows at a time. I know I personally can't wait to see that used.
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Hamsda 2018-06-09 22:30
The maps are already tabbed in my pack
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I'm just changing a few more things around rn
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SKNI 2018-06-09 22:31
I've really been meaning to give yours a look.
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Slippy 2018-06-09 22:37
Hey @Hamsda where's Dampe Race?
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Hamsda 2018-06-09 22:37
to quote my changelog: -added Dampe back in, he got lost in the reorganization, oops
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Slippy 2018-06-09 22:37
Where's that at?
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Hamsda 2018-06-09 22:38
https://github.com/Hamsda/OoTRMapTracker/blob/master/changelog
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Slippy 2018-06-09 22:38
Thanks!
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Hamsda 2018-06-09 22:38
will do a release with it in a bit
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Bongo Cat 2018-06-09 23:17
lol, mike isn't a fan 😛
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-09 23:22
We get along.
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Temporal Scallywag 2018-06-12 05:25
Is there a LttP pack for completionists, that tracks Heart Pieces and whatnot?
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SKNI 2018-06-12 10:03
No, but you can always get your feet wet and rewrite one of the packs to do so. The coding is mostly straight forward.
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Azzavhar 2018-06-12 12:25
@EmoSaru thank you for this tracker btw
12:25
it is awesome. just looking at it now for the first time
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Swede 2018-06-12 12:26
OMG AZZA you gonna do stream this??!?!?!?!?!?
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Azzavhar 2018-06-12 12:26
@Swede well hello there azzavhLove sakuHype
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Im definitely testing some things out azzavhLove ahaha. yes.
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Swede 2018-06-12 12:27
👌
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Azzavhar 2018-06-12 12:27
woohoo sakuLove
12:27
ahaha 😄
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bcruise 2018-06-12 13:26
Really liking the OOT map tracker, thanks for adding that!
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Daaanty 2018-06-12 14:19
on the OoT items only pack, can anyone explain the chest counts? as in, are these counts for every single chest including map and compass per dungeon/area? or are these just items excluding map, compass, and boss key?
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SKNI 2018-06-12 14:23
It excludes dungeon specific items.
14:24
The map trackers vary on it depending on author.
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Daaanty 2018-06-12 14:26
yeah, i knew the LttP one excluded those, but wasn't sure for OoT since i'm not as familiar with that game
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SKNI 2018-06-12 14:45
No problem. Different authors mean different ideas.
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If you need the inclusion, it's in Spleebie's and DarkenSky's map tracker. JR may be updating his to include keys, but not sure if he's decided on it or not.
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JRJathome 2018-06-12 15:12
I updated my pack to include updated counts if you use the setting that gets rid of maps and compasses (just right-click the numbers till they turn green if you use that setting). No plans to include keys currently. I feel it's more important for players to know how many unique items are left in the dungeon.
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If/when devs come up with a keysanity mode for OoT, then I'll likely release a separate pack with updated chest counts and a key counter.
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Murnco 2018-06-13 05:04
In case anyone would like to use this. I did up a reference sheet for EmoTracker's Chat Hub functions for A Link To The Past. https://pastebin.com/N43yAbbf
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Plan on doing one for alttp+sm and OoT as well eventually.
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Murnco 2018-06-13 08:46
Here is one for ALTTP+SM Combo https://pastebin.com/4u9uiK54
ALTTP+SM Combo EmoTracker Chat Hud Reference - Pastebin.com
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Otome 2018-06-13 15:35
EMO IS CUTE
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dives off cliff
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lands on Sakura's roof
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fuckin dies
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EmoSaru 2018-06-13 16:22
Poor Saku's roof... That's gotta damage something.
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SKNI 2018-06-13 16:30
He made me push him
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JRJathome 2018-06-13 16:31
Saku lives at the bottom of a cliff?
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SKNI 2018-06-13 16:33
The lighting is beautiful
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Bongo Cat 2018-06-14 01:04
i present to you, double validation
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maybe, if it'll upload >_>
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ah ha! it worked ^_^
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Laurie D. Bunnykins 2018-06-14 10:01
I tried the OoT rando, the tracker for it is awesome
10:01
the game crashed half an hour in after I had barely saved though 😰
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SKNI 2018-06-14 10:44
Don't use PJ64. Try using Mupen. It's what I'm using until I find a better one.
10:44
So far no crash with it.
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Even leaving running paused for hours
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Shayy 2018-06-14 13:21
@EmoSaru max savage
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EmoSaru 2018-06-14 13:21
more like max tired
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Shayy 2018-06-14 13:22
the two are not mutually exclusive
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Solski 2018-06-14 13:23
Hey emo i have a question!
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banned
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SKNI 2018-06-14 13:24
#off-topic
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Solski 2018-06-14 13:24
nou
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SKNI 2018-06-14 13:26
Honestly, she has a lot on her plate and need these channels to be used as intended. (edited)
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EmoSaru 2018-06-14 13:27
Thanks @SKNI - I appreciate that. The line between #general and #off-topic is blurry though. The MAIN thing is just making sure that when people ask questions (which I actively watch for), ideally they're not the same questions over and over - at least the ones which ARE answered in #faq. 😃
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Also solski is solski, and while he's not banned from the discord, he's permabanned from my love. linkshocked
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Solski 2018-06-14 13:28
Im not surprised, but ill take it
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EmoSaru 2018-06-14 13:28
lol
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Cransoon 2018-06-14 20:39
So I'm having a thing where my broadcast view doesn't show sword upgrades, even though I mark them on the tracker itself. Is this a known bug/is there a fix for it? Not a huge deal, but just curious.
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SKNI 2018-06-14 20:40
Did you make any overrides?
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If so, delete them and see if it fixes it.
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Or just cut and paste in an unrelated folder
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EmoSaru 2018-06-14 21:11
@Cransoon If you're using my packs, haven't updated the packs in a long time, and you overrode your broadcast layout, you may need to fix your broadcast layout override to account for this.
Swords now use their overworld images (if you've overriden layouts, make sure to switch from sword to owsword to get the new changes)
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Jongameaddict 2018-06-16 08:24
Seeing y'all talk about ALTTPR is making me wanna get back to it. I last played 2 years ago, before the English version and a lotta new settings that came with, so I know I'll love it. And there's trackers! Hype!
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SKNI 2018-06-16 08:40
Welcome to the crowd.
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Xel 2018-06-16 16:25
Hey anyone heard if that Map alttp sm tracker was happening still or if the project was halted.
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EmoSaru 2018-06-16 16:29
There is now a map pack for sm itself
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Which may help speed up progress there
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As to specific efforts, I’m not the keeper of their status
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Xel 2018-06-17 08:16
where would i procure the map pack for super metroid. this will lead into a suggestion once i double check the faq
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JRJathome 2018-06-17 09:15
SauceRelic's map pack for SM is in the package manager. Click the arrow and scroll to the bottom
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SauceRelic 2018-06-17 09:18
I think currently, everybody who has made a package has it in the package downloader. There's just not a lot of people making them pieBleThump
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Also sorry for late response I just woke up
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JRJathome 2018-06-17 09:19
The only packages I know of that aren't in the package manager are Jaysee's major glitch and overworld glitch packs for Z3 and Dudude Dude's Z1 pack.
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Dudude Dude 2018-06-17 09:22
And yeah that Z1 pack isn't in there because I wouldn't consider it feature complete for tracking that particular randomizer.
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jaysee 2018-06-18 03:40
My ff4 key item pack and alttpr owg packs are up now
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Unknownavailability 2018-06-18 12:18
andyPugChamp
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Entanjir 2018-06-19 12:42
New to this whole Randomizer thing, trying to figure out how to get the Emotracker?
12:43
If anyone could help me out I'd appreciate it.
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Sevilla 2018-06-19 12:43
its in the faq
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Entanjir 2018-06-19 12:43
Ah, thanks
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Soma 2018-06-19 14:29
Hey just starting out with these randomizers, thank you so much for the tracker it is very helpful !
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Ghoatsal 2018-06-21 03:36
Are there any map tracker packs for 2.0 of oot randomizer yet?
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Hamsda 2018-06-21 03:39
mine should be ready, though obviously not released for 2.0 yet, you can edit it manually by replacing all occurences of "item_count": 0 with "item_count": 1 in locations.json that would only leave the item counts in the texts off by 1 for the dungeons
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Ghoatsal 2018-06-21 03:50
Nice thanks man, excellent pack you've made btw
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Hamsda 2018-06-21 04:02
thanks, glad you like it
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Dangonizer 2018-06-21 12:27
very cool, thought there was no map out there for dev version
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Whatsoup 2018-06-21 16:50
anyone else's oot tracker look weird after the update?
16:50
the pictures for the dungeons are way too small for me
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EmoSaru 2018-06-21 16:51
if you have exported overrides, especially items.json or tracker_layout.json, always try removing those overrides and seeing if it fixes things for you
16:52
when pack authors make substantial changes, it's always possible that you may need to remake your changes on the new versions
16:52
also if you've placed any images in the override folder (edited)
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fylion 2018-06-21 16:53
JR just mentioned that in #customization-support, too.
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Whatsoup 2018-06-21 16:56
i don't think i've made any override changes, or exported anything
16:56
how do i remake? or should i just reinstall everything (edited)
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EmoSaru 2018-06-21 16:57
check your Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides directory
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if there's anything there for the ootr pack in question, delete it and press f5 in the tracker
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Whatsoup 2018-06-21 16:57
ah okay i was looking in program files
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yep that did it, thanks! (edited)
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JRJathome 2018-06-22 02:28
Opinions wanted. Do you prefer the dungeon pictures or should I ditch them for a more simplified look?
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Eirian 2018-06-22 02:50
Dungeon pictures are nice, I like that they capture the important part of a dungeon
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Kendragon 2018-06-22 03:25
having just the dungeon picture can be confusing though because on a stream it's hard to tell if some of them are "activated", like forest temple
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Samura1man 2018-06-22 04:04
is this a bug?
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those stones and medallions looks weird
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Eirian 2018-06-22 05:01
Scroll a little bit up, if you're using overrides the images get messed up, so you need to delete them
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KinkyRay 2018-06-22 14:31
I preferred the text, but if you did use much more simplified images for the dungeons it would work. its a tad busy looking with the current image set. And if you kept the original set up with all the medallions and stones on the right it would help, since the medallions lined up with warp songs, so you can tell at a glance which song is which.
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Cair 2018-06-22 19:26
Strongly preferred text
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Algernonab 2018-06-22 21:25
After doing the fix, I actually like the UI changes, though I would personally prefer it if the labels were different. For instance, using "Deku" instead of DT and using "Fire" or "Fire T" instead of "FiT".
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This is regarding the OoT Rando Items Only tracker.
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JRJathome 2018-06-22 21:30
That was my original intention. When I first made the icons, they were 64x64 pixels, and could fit the dungeon names. However, I decided they were too big. 48x48 fits the layout much better, but the dungeon names don't fit in that small of a space.
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Algernonab 2018-06-22 21:42
@JRJathome Could you do alternative appeviations, such as "Shad" for "Shadow Temple"?
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"Shad" and "Spir" are easier to distinguish from one another as opposed to "ST" and "SpT".
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JRJathome 2018-06-22 21:43
Possibly. I'm not doing "Dong" for Dodongo's Cavern though. 😛
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Algernonab 2018-06-22 21:43
I personally would have suggested either "Dodo" or "D Cav". (edited)
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Hamsda 2018-06-22 21:51
the "established" short hands for most dungeons are pretty inconsistent in the oot community :/ deku, DC, jabu, forest, fire, water, shadow, spirit, GTG, BotW, Ice/IC
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so making a consistent design of those is sorta hard
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Algernonab 2018-06-22 21:51
@Hamsda When you typed "BotW", my mind instantly defaulted to "Breath of the Wild". Lol
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Hamsda 2018-06-22 21:52
it will go to bottom of the well for almost anyone in the oot community
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Algernonab 2018-06-22 21:52
I was like, "wha?"
21:52
Then I realized you were talking about the Well
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Hamsda 2018-06-22 21:52
was confusing when they announced breath
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Algernonab 2018-06-22 21:53
JR's tracker uses "The Well" for that area, though, so there's no need for a change there IMO
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Hamsda 2018-06-22 21:53
but yeah, space and lingo constraints make this sorta rough
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Algernonab 2018-06-22 21:55
Though, it seems like in most cases, using the four most prominent letters of each dungeon would be enough to distinguish. "Deku", "D Cav", "Jabu", "Frst", "Fire", "Watr", "Shad", "Sprt", "GTG", "Ice C", "Well", and "G Cas" would be good ones IMO.
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Hamsda 2018-06-22 22:11
you could do all kinds of variants, the thing is that there are "established" names for most that just dont go together, some are one worders, others actual abbreviations :/
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KinkyRay 2018-06-22 22:34
another small thing I'm noticing. the temple images in question, some of them don't look all that different when checked
22:34
namely temples that are mostly grey
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JRJathome 2018-06-22 22:52
Yeah, I've found some alternate images that should stand out more. Except I can't really find much for Dodongo's Cavern. :/ Just one more reason to ditch them, I guess.
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JRJathome 2018-06-22 23:39
So I'm considering going back to the medallion icons, but with dungeon labels added. I made these using the LttP labels. It works, sorta. These are 32 pixels wide, so I can't go any wider.
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I made labels for the mini-dungeons and GC so I can still put chest counts at the bottom.
23:44
That's assuming I keep the icons 32x32. I could make them 48x48, but they'd be the same size that the dungeon icons are now.
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Kendragon 2018-06-22 23:45
maybe you could color the text according to the medallion/stone that is in the dungeon. though then the stones and medallions would clash
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-06-23 02:50
I like that idea, I might adapt that into my tracker
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A Silly Volpe 2018-06-23 11:39
hey, Hamsda, i have a question about a potential sequence break you have marked as unobtainable without an item when it is obtainable
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A Silly Volpe 2018-06-23 11:47
Specifically the windmill HP
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A Person 2018-06-23 12:19
you do need to be adult link to get it afaik so thats a requirement
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dotzo 2018-06-23 12:20
child link + rang can get it. adult can get it with 0 items but logic assumes song of time i think.
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Hamsda 2018-06-23 13:11
i think i have it marked as skippable, not sure though
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Eirian 2018-06-23 13:15
Why not use the boss images like they do with the lttp trackers?
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JRJathome 2018-06-23 15:50
That was the original plan, but I had complaints that the images were too busy. I've considered using the official art of the bosses with transparent backgrounds, but I'm not sure if it'll help or not.
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Eirian 2018-06-23 15:50
sounds like people are never happy :v
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dotzo 2018-06-23 16:16
i like the 4 letter bold white text codes. makes them uniform and concise. perfect for building layouts.
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A Silly Volpe 2018-06-23 23:10
Might be in the next update on the map but the current release of the map has it locked behind song of Time or boomerang (edited)
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BeeLuigi 2018-06-24 06:24
@Hamsda I believe the restrictions for Goron City and Mountain Crater have been mixed up. Right now the tracker locks Goron City behind having bombs or the Master Sword, but it's accessible as soon as you can exit Kokiri Forest. On the other hand the wall HP in Crater is marked as accessible, but I don't think you can get there as child without bombs.
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Hamsda 2018-06-24 08:03
Oh shoot, that must have happened a while ago. I'll take a look tonight.
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BeeLuigi 2018-06-24 09:43
Awesome!
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Slippy 2018-06-24 12:55
Is there a tracker similar to hamsdas for lttp+sm
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Hamsda 2018-06-24 13:00
not sure if there are map trackers for z3sm yet rooThink
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SauceRelic 2018-06-24 13:09
One could definitely be made by borrowing from other packages
13:10
Anybody doing that should get permission first though
13:14
I might do it myself soon if nobody else does since so many people are asking for it
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Hamsda 2018-06-24 13:24
i just barely know lttp and hardly know anything about sm 😮
13:24
go for it SauceRelic!
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Elminster 2018-06-24 13:51
is there a way on the tracker to mark what turtle rock need to be opened?
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Nyarlathotep 2018-06-24 13:56
right click on the medallions
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SauceRelic 2018-06-24 18:07
Unfortunately I don't know lttp that well either, but I didn't know sm at all before I started so I think I can learn it pieThink
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JRJathome 2018-06-24 22:51
Honestly, getting the SM map pack out of the way was the hard part. Emo's packs already have the alttp logic. As far as I'm aware, the remaining work involves factoring in the game warps which change some of the logic around such as accessing Misery Mire without Flute/Mitts or Death Mountain without lamp or flute.
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Espeon 2018-06-25 07:09
the maridia warp can actually be your only dark world access as well
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NeoYggdrasill 2018-06-25 07:14
Hey, what do the white dotted lines mean? For example in the case of OoT there is a Chest in Dodongo's Cavern named 'Above Boss' and right next to it there is an empty square surrounded by a white dotted line. When I select it opens a menu where I can basically choose any item?
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kapinou 2018-06-25 07:17
It allows you to mark what item is there when you can know what it is (for example through the Sheikah stones' hints n OoT) but aren't able to collect it yet
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NeoYggdrasill 2018-06-25 07:19
Aaaah, alright, thank you very much! 🙂
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Cinaeth 2018-06-25 13:59
anyone know if I can load two trackers?
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Hamsda 2018-06-25 14:08
you can just open two instances of emotracker and use different packages if thats what you mean
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Cinaeth 2018-06-25 14:10
yeah i figured. Can I save my progress somehow?
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Hamsda 2018-06-25 14:11
#faq
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Cinaeth 2018-06-25 14:13
so... no? xD
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Eirian 2018-06-25 14:16
No
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Unknownavailability 2018-06-26 02:49
So found a resource for video game sprites.. http://www.videogamesprites.net/ really cool stuff
VideoGameSprites.net
video game sprites
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-26 09:32
@Unknownavailability Spriter’s Resource has been my go-to.
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Sandra 2018-06-26 20:56
are you porting your crossover tracker to emotracker now, mike?
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-26 21:07
Soon™. Figuring out the syntax. The inheritance hierarchy that I have with the classes in the JavaScript can't have a direct port over. It'll take some refactoring.
21:08
The initial hard part was getting the logic more-or-less correct with my web-based app. Right now I'm setting up the layout based on SauceRelic's emopack.
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Birbby 2018-06-27 06:25
I've got a quick question about the OOT item/chest tracker. Are the Ice Cave/Well/Gerudo/Ganon tickers supposed to be shown in Broadcast View, or do I need to shuffle code around to make that happen?
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JRJathome 2018-06-27 11:19
@Birbby No, I don't have those showing by default. I felt that the chest tracker is more for the streamer than their audience, so I didn't include those.
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Birbby 2018-06-27 11:22
Ah, okay.
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JRJathome 2018-06-27 11:30
I'm probably going to omit the chest counts entirely from the broadcast view in future releases, but they'll still be available in the main tracker window, so you're welcome to add them into your override. (edited)
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SauceRelic 2018-06-27 16:49
Well now that somebody's doing a crossover tracker, I don't know what I'm gonna do next
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Maybe la-mulana 🤔
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A Person 2018-06-27 16:58
oh man thanks for the reminder. i totally forgot about the la-mulana rando
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SauceRelic 2018-06-27 16:59
That one would be a trip to actually get right
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Otome 2018-06-27 19:28
@Spleebie hey. how do i remove the pinned locations on your pack
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@Darkened5ky question applies to you too i guess
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Spleebie 2018-06-27 19:29
@Otome you can export a tracker layout override from the menu and then delete that section. Check #customization-support for more info
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Otome 2018-06-27 19:30
i tried that. whole tracker goes black
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Spleebie 2018-06-27 19:31
That might be an invalid json issue. Make sure you only delete the innermost set of { } containing the pinned items
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Otome 2018-06-27 19:32
i did
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Spleebie 2018-06-27 19:32
But also ask in #customization-support
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Otome 2018-06-27 19:32
notepad++ shows what brackets lead to what
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SauceRelic 2018-06-27 19:34
Did you get rid of the comma at the end of the Items section
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Otome 2018-06-27 19:36
i missed one, yeah
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Deleted User 2018-06-28 20:59
hi
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How goes it guys
21:00
I was wondering how one could acquire emos tracker
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-28 21:01
Do you like snark in your answer?
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Deleted User 2018-06-28 21:01
?
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-28 21:01
No snark: Check the top of #faq
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Deleted User 2018-06-28 21:02
oh lol thanks
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-28 21:02
Snark: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/386962041249988627/456919822547288065/2c8oem.png
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Alaszun 2018-06-29 01:15
Is there a v29 package that doesn't assume any glitches? Or did nothing about it really change enough to mess up v28's one? I tried some of the v29 ones but rather than mark glitches they'd do things like say hobo was accessible from start of game with no flippers/etc...so either there's a non-glitched path I don't know about or I can't find one 😃
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EmoSaru 2018-06-29 01:21
Nothing changed meaningfully
01:21
Also they will show glitches, but only ever as yellow
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Check #faq for information about the colors on the map
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Alaszun 2018-06-29 01:25
Yeah, I know the general way glitches are shown. The package I found for v29 was showing them in green. Thanks, I'll just keep using v28 :).
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EmoSaru 2018-06-29 01:26
You were likely using jaysee’s glitched logic packs
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Alaszun 2018-06-29 01:28
Yup, which would explain it. Thanks.
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I saw the glitches tag in the title so i assumed it was something like that.
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Doctor_Marty_0 2018-06-30 11:42
Hey guys, I'm trying to recover my laptop from a crash and downloading everything that got wiped again. Where on here can I download the emotracker again?
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Fouton (PugHUD) 2018-06-30 11:49
its at the top of #welcome
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flappity 2018-06-30 11:53
hmm
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@EmoSaru what do you think about me re-gearing my tracker platform/layout editor into being a gui-based layout editor for your software
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-30 11:54
She's @ SGDQ atm. She's been popping in off and on.
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flappity 2018-06-30 11:54
seems like you and I have similar trains of thought, with different implementations
11:54
yeah its fine
11:54
she'll see the ping and answer eventually I imagine
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-30 11:54
Yep!
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flappity 2018-06-30 11:55
But yeah.. I have a prototype layout editor for my own tracker platform, my layout files are a different format, etc. but I feel like two of us working together could make something awesome
11:55
your tracker has a lot of the features I wanted in mine but never got around to writing
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and if I were able to learn more about your software I could pretty easily rewrite a lot of my gui layout editor to output stuff in your format, rather than having to hand-code layouts
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-30 11:56
Even if it just does a layout generation, that would still be useful.
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flappity 2018-06-30 11:57
layout generation?
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-30 11:57
Like, element-placement but not logic-writing.
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flappity 2018-06-30 11:57
oh gotcha
11:57
yeah but thats less of a fun challenge
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-30 11:57
True, but still useful. ;)
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flappity 2018-06-30 11:57
yeah
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i could release a prototype that does that before working on that
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-30 11:58
Wewt.
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flappity 2018-06-30 11:59
sounds like a fun project
11:59
i wanna learn more about the libraries i use and stuff
11:59
plus it'd help me accomplish my goal of helping out with a major thing in the alttp community
11:59
maybe my name could be in credits somewhere
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2018-06-30 12:00
If only we knew someone who could put a bug in someone's ear about placing someone in the credits, hmm.
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flappity 2018-06-30 12:00
hmm? :P
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